Online Poker Scam
Posted on December 3, 2004
Bill says online poker is rigged and he has evidence to prove it. What do you think?
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156 Responses to “Online Poker Scam”
Posted on December 3, 2004
Bill says online poker is rigged and he has evidence to prove it. What do you think?
Filed Under Online Poker, Quickie
156 Responses to “Online Poker Scam”
If everybody was ripped off, it would be obvious. Maybe only certain people are picked to be screwed, or could bea software flaw. Isn’t the Dominican Republic where they make all the Coke to smuggle into the US? Not sure I’d trust them to change a light bulb let alone deal cards.
Bill was kidding in the article, i hope you realize that.
Yes, I know, that’s why I linked to it.
i think that online poker has way more bull shit than anything ever……ie. people catching a flush alot with 2 running cards needed
Its totally 100% rigged for action. I just played at Interpoker, and both times I hit an ace high flush HEADS UP, I lost. I lost to a straight flush, HAHAHAHAHA, and I lost to a runner runner full house after flopping the ace high flush.
Its ALL 100% rigged for action, lots of betting and maximum profit. I win all the time, but I ALWAYS LOSE IT to running bullshit cards that would NEVER EVER hit in a live game. Im a winning player online, and I still KNOW its rigged. Its a god damned travesty and it should be shut down as of yesterday.
Yeah, I agree totally. there just is too many long shot wins to be real. i’ve played on 4-5 sites and they all are like that. I play live a few days a week and only see a couple hands a night like i see online in 1/2 an hour. How often do you see 2 people with AA at the same time??? or how many times can you see AA drawn out by 10-10??? My theory is the program is set to have some people win for whatever reason, either they spend more/lose more, or whatever, and i also think there are programed hands to make players commit to hands and get eliminated, or lose alot of money ie. flop a flush/ lose to a full house, etc.. I hear some people argue this but nothing i’ve heard sounds convincing. Alot of players i talk to feel there is something wrong also, but what are u gonna do?
I agree with Dave and Steve.I used to play almost every night in live poker rooms.I used to make a second income doing that.But with my wife and I being sent to Honolulu Hi,for the military there is no card rooms or casinos here.So i started playing online poker.And I always thought to be funny how when your in and ring game it seems that they keeping money circulating among the players at the table.Almost so they can keep racking the money from the players.I don’t know maybe I’m wrong.but how is that that this guy in a tourney goes all in with pocket queens and that flop is QQ2 and another person called pre flop with KK and the turn was K and the river was a K.Not saying this doesn’t happend once in awhile. But strange crap like this seems to happend alot on internet poker.Well i could come with alot of reasons why i think online poker seems to rigged but it could take all day.My advice stay away from any online gambling.
i heard from a source that some professional player
have what they call a boiler room.4-6-8 different phone line creating different identification,
so on a table where you seat 6-10 player. chances
are your playing against the same person,
suppose your sitting on table (6max) your 2 hole cards against 10 hole card.
which your thing is to have better chance of hitting the nut? also that gives a big edge to your apponant.
keep playing!!!and good luck
Unfortunately in all forms of gambling there are people who are good at it,and people who are bad at it,poker is simply no different.
You also get people who can afford to lose a few dollars,and people who simply cannot.
To be honest I’m fed up listening to all this nonsense and until someone comes up with one mili ounce of proof then we should treat it as the garbage that it most definately is.
The point that I feel confirms this is that all the worlds’ top players now play online and do you honestly believe they would do this if they had even the slightest suspicion it was rigged?
The answer is no as they haven’t got time to moan as they are too busy filling up their’ bank accounts by beating people who are still stupid enough to be crying ”it’s rigged”!!
ok well u keep playing, i wont. get back with me in a few years. let me know how it goes.
I have played on all the major sites and I’m pretty sure they’re rigged. I’m not an amateur and have played hold em for a few years now. At sites like interpoker, full tilt, bodog,cd poker, players always bet with crappy hands and get lucky everytime with big pots. I can’t even tell you how many times I have lost alot of money with pocket aa,kk to a player who hits a flush or straight on the river. I have watched alot of poker on tv and in person and have never seen people win with such crap hands or even called or played with them on big raises. Also they suck you in with their bs bonuses where you have to play alot of raked hands and sites like fair poker and cd poker rip you off like crazy for the ridiculous rakes they get. I’m sure its a scam which is why all the sites are overseas and the credit cards always get declined so they use sites like neteller,firepay etc to charge big fees to rip people off.
The rigged argument to me is yes and no. NO it isnt personally rigged, but yes there are way to many action hands to be totally legit. It seems common for the action hands that people keep relaying : runner runner flush cards, 4 people with pocker pairs same deal, AA vs KK very common, etc; things you rarely see in a B&M or home game. Ive recently quit online poker; not because of the results but its way too convenient and habit forming. I am a consistent winner in live poker and not as good online, so thats another reason. You have to adjust too much online to play more loosely, and my game suffers in real live poker. But for people to be so against the rigged theory, too many people say the same thing so we arent just pulling this from thin air. We all cant be wrong.
Come on people!! Get real!! I’ve been playing hold em’ for a long time, but am pretty new to on-line. I have done very well on-line, as I did at a live table as well. Point is, you are always going to have amateurs playing at a table that are only card chasers based only on luck. Will a flop give trips to someone that was holding a 2-5 offsuit? hell yeah!! Would a good to even average poker player have paid to see the flop? Probably not. Point I’m trying to make, is if you play your own game, stick with cards you feel are good, and know when to muck, you will be better off. It’s not rigged people. If you’re mad about losing money, maybe you didn’t have it to lose in the first place, and you should play on the play money tables for awhile longer.
Of course this shit is rigged… howcome every time I flop the best hand and move all in on th flop, when I do get called by some loser with nothing but an overcard, sometimes 2 or some bs draw will miraculously outdraw me ,about 75% of the time with only 2 cards 2 come many times hitting runner runner BS. Cuz its rigged!
RIGGED
ANYONE WHO SAYS IT IS NOT RIGGED HAS NOT BEEN PLAYING FOR A LONG ENOUGH TIME ON LINE
NO ONE IS WINNING EXCEPT THE OWNERS OF THESE WEBSITES
I have played at most the major sites. Their is definitely more action hands than normal. One game I played for 20 minutes, and not once did I get any card lower than 10….I played every hand of the approximately 15-20 hands….AA, KK, AK,tt,JJ, AJ, and the list goes on…I would hit the flush, or straight, and they would hit the full house…not just once, every time….the opponents at the table were commenting on how “unlucky” I was. It was really an eye opening experience.
Keep that bankroll alive, play live.
You were probably playing Royal Hold’em on UB where they only use cards ten through ace.
Hi, just had a look at your comments i always believed that the site couldnt be rigged, however stopped playing at 2 sites cause i was getting very unlucky (flop A high Spade Flush i go all in with 32$ other player calls with Ah 3D and calls beats me with AAAA) anyway found a site which was excellent been playing there a (year everest.com) they had a revamp last week and if you cant win a hand with flushes, str8s and full houses it seems very strange nearly (at leats 8 of 10) every hand at the table is a flush, str8 full house or four of a kind.
after 24hrs of the website upgrade poeple started saying the site was rigged and i just said they where sore losers but as the weeks progressed i saw it for myself the plays where just unreal, on the other hand i might of just had a full week of very bad luck but i wont be putting any more money at everst to find out
hi read all the statements and im not sure whats going on with the online poker im pretty good most of the time seems like i could only win what i would put in then get great hands but then lose with time after time then deposit and win but then lose never realy able to pull out the winnings and apply them to any thing but depositing again what i do know is if one player has a good hand another will to and hit only to commit there chips and kiss them good bye cant really say i have any proof to say its riged but what i can say when i wacth a 1000 dollar pot exchange hands because one player had aa and other had kk and they both hit on the flop with no flush draw or anything both would have to think best hand no way they could have pockets that did it for me im going to trusted casinos for now on and only sticking to freerolls online cant hurt me that way just them if they really allow it i do believe online gaming does make u a better player though playing hand that is set to make u lose ur money and some how u get out of it well tune u in a non stacked game to really dominate i think we will never know if it is rigged or not but we do know the online buisness is making them millions not me and im tired of making someone else rich ty hoped this helped
I’m uncertain as to whether or not I would definitively say online rooms are rigged; although I’ve seen very suspicious hands unfold online compared to live games.
As for Tony’s comment about how he knows a pro who infiltrates a table with multiple seats…I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE BECAUSE I’VE SEEN IT!!!
My line of work takes me to many fraternity houses around the Los Angeles area and in more than one house these frat guys have elaborate setups in a single room where they hold 8 or 9 OF TEN SEATS at one online table!! Multiple monitors are set up on one wall, flatscreens blanketing the wall, and at one house there’s actually a guy keeping tally of the days wins on a chalkboard off to the side…These guys are pulling in several thousand a day…the dollar amount on the board I saw that day was $13,445.
Through digging a little deeper I found out that these guys were having more trouble cashing out from the site than they were at winning the money. It just so happens that they were playing on the same site I USED to play on, Pokerstars. And anyone who’s ever cashed out on Pokerstars knows that if you cash out for, let’s say $800, they send you these rediculous increments of $25, then $50, then another $50 and another until they reach the $800 payout amount.
So, BEWARE! The apparent “cards being dealt” scam may be true…But the REAL SCAM is that you’re potentially playing against a single room full of guys who know eachother’s cards and are really there to take you down…and they will!
Think about it…this scenario is much more prevalent than you think. It’s happening RIGHT NOW on many many tables around the internet.
Ok, Here’s the deal. I’ve been playing poker all my life. I live for poker. I play in live games in AC and Vegas often, and do very well. I started playing online about four years ago. I got to tell you, I did very well at that also…at first. I started playing at paradise poker. I was raking in the cash. Then it seemed, the more I did make (after about 2k), I was finding it harder and harder to win. Had my play changed that much? Was I playing bad? Was it just bad luck? It was all I could do just to break even. Then I figured I would try a new server. So I started playing party poker. Next thing I know, I’m winning again. Did the new poker environment help improve my play? I figured at the time, it was just a fluke, maybe I was just in a slumb. Then after winning a few thousand and cashing out a few thousand at party poker, I came across the same problem as I did at paradise poker. I couldn’t win no more. That is odd, I thought. So I would go back and forth from Paradise to Party. Nothing, couldn’t win a dime. So I started playing else where, and I’ve pretty much played them all, and found, that I’ve had the same problem every where I go. Win at first, until they mark me as a winning player, then flip the switch on me. Could this be a coincidence? Who knows, maybe. But I’ve pretty much played them all, and it seems, this phenomenon happens everywhere. A few more things, I’ve notice. Have you every noticed, it is nearly impossible to beat the short stack at the table in a ring game online, when it is clear that he is going all in(pot commited), regarless of the hands involded? Why is this so, I wondered. Its simple really, with out players at the table, there is no rake. And that is a fact. But like they say, there is no proof as of yet anywhere, and I will still continue to play regardless of what I belive. Its like I say, I live for poker.
if theres such a problem playing on a table full of people, just play 1 on 1.
also, i’d like to mention that modern society is basically built upon scammers.
your either on the top, doing the fucking
or your on the bottom, being fucked..
pick one or the other, i don’t think theres any other way. theres always gonna be a con artist
It may be rigged to give more action but even this may be BS. Everyone says this never happens in a brick and mortar, BS. If you watched the 2005 WSOP Greg Raymer was killed off by a guy that caught a runner to make his flush. Making the call aganst Raymers all in was stupid, but he gambled and won. Another example, was watching Speed Poker from Australia, I saw the most outrageous three way pre flop. AA, KK, KK, All three went all in. Obviously the two with KK thought this was amazingly odd, they both obviously lost. And if you watch high stakes poker on The game show network, you would have noticed the bad beats Daniel Negranau has taken in the last month, not to meantion Helmuths lousy debut, where he lost 150,000 in three hands. Helmuths first was FH beaten by 8888. Those watching had to hear about that “bad beat” for the rest of the show. How is it a bad beat when your opponent calls raise after raise with the 888 showing?? Maybe somewhere along he should have realized his top FH was no good. But thats the key, deciding when your habd is no good. In the very same show I gotto watch Antonio Esfandiari lay down AA at the turn when he realised or was pretty certain he no longer had the nuts. And he was right. No one online ever seems to understand that part of the game. AA is just a pair with only a 54% chance of winning in a multiway pot. 46% of the time you had better fold it. And also remember you can play more hands before noon on monday than they play all week at the live casino. the pace is dizzying online. So your going to think your seeing more action.
I’ve heard all those excuses and i dont buy them. And letting good hands go is not the issue here. And your odds are off on the AA’s preflop. I think u mean a pocket pair is 54% against any two over cards. AA’s are like 86% over any random hand, and worse if the other person has an A. Its like 80% against any other pocket pair.
If I remember correctly PokerRoom has a public database of all their hands. If this is true, there is no way the game is rigged because it would be easy to detect and they would be shut down.
rush’s comment does make me nervous, though.
casino poker and slot machines are rigged but people still play them when they know that they are rigged they take in 70% more than they pay out i know this for a fact, its the same as online poker people are still going to play because they are hooked, it a drug like smoking or drinking,and sites know this so they know that they will always get players,and who is going to close them down the governments NO why because they will lose there big income ON THE TAX
the government dont get a dime, its all offshore from what i know
the government from the country the site is based u still have to pay tax no matter what country u are in
Rigged… possibly, but maybe for entertainment value?
I have played at both tables and online and although I am realitvely new to the game, even I can see the difference in the strength of hands you receive at an online table.
I would guess that the poker sites do use some sort of software that ‘improves?’ the game by giving better hands, thus making it more entertaining and more appealling – esp to newer players. Afterall they make there money from keeping people playing and they wouldnt get much return business if your average joe (95% of online players) gets screwed by the pro’s on every hand.
If the games were ever proven to be rigged by party poker etc, then it would be a huge blow to the online poker industry. I cant really see those companies risking such a great(not to mention profitable) business by cheating.
I would guess that the only people really cheating are some of the players, which is inevitable. Invent a game and people will find a way to cheat it!
Human nature.
Yep, it’s rigged (online poker in general). But does anyone of you who think otherwise after a long period of playing, know a site which is not YET rigged? As Paradise poker a LOONG time ago.
If there were one, OK, we all would probably go to test it, but then there’ll be at least always sit&go etc. co-players to play with.
ps. I’m also tested all but couple of poker networks and think they’re scam, like (a sidenote) herbalife network marketing and pay-for-surf etc. scam promoting “making money from the internet”. Bs stinks there strongly!
just seen poker 7s beat by poker 9s ????????????????????????????????? the guy lost $100 on his 1st hand
WHAT ARE U SAYING????? POKER 7′S?????
all while reading through these. four players go all in… Pocket Aces, Pocket Queens, Pocket Jacks, 7-9. Turn 7, river 9… oddly enough, short stack was 7-9. next hand.. .two players go all in… Pocket Aces, pocket kings… pocket kings hit kk for a four of a kind win… and two hands later… bizzarly enough… pocket eights called all in against pocket eights… guess who won??? oddly enough, the guy with the eight of clubs caught a flush to win the pot (also the short stack). all this happened on partypoker while i was reading through the last few comments. and for anyone who wants to say this happens all the time at casinos… they’re full of crap, yet, as anyone knows by playing… it happens ALL the time in a matter of 30 min at every sitting on the net.
Yea party poker sucks, I refuse to ever play there again. I’ve been playing full tilt for about 6 months now. I love it. Yes, I’ve had a few bad beats, but hey that’s poker. I’m not sure if online poker is rigged or not, but I have to say that I am greatly satisfied with full tilt.
vault83
Ive just started playing Poker Online and don’t profes to be brilliant at it, but I am very consistent in the way I play.
I started playing on Sun Poker and inititially did very well and won some money. Then suddenly couldn’t win at all, even though I was playing exactly the same way. I ended up losing most of my money and depositing more. Same story, started winning again only to suddenly lose it all.
Tried Party poker. Guess what, did great at first before my winning hands just suddenly dried up, forcing me to deposit more money!
I understand the argument from the experts that its just poor players looking for excuses, but I did not change my style of play at all and went from winning quite consistently to losing virtually every hand!
I believe that it is rigged so that players get a taste for winning before losing everything and depositing more money, convinced that they will get back to winning again.
Hey Anthony read post 21.
notice the same thing win at the beginning then cant win.thought i might be on tilt so i started logging all my hands ,hand quality was terrible when i finally had marginal hand knew iwas in trouble and was ,semi-bluff never worked when they were called if i was 20 30 percent 2 hit never hit.when i did have big hand preflop and bet no callers or if i was called got run down.
I’ve been reading the postings because I’m obviously having similar trouble to what’s being described here. I’ve been playing now for 2 years online and I’ve taken the game very seriously. I have been successful, but it’s insane how nutty the tables are. I’ve just come off of a run on Full Tilt where I’ve had KK on 4 tables in a row. I hadn’t seen a premium pocket pair in probably 20-25 sng’s. I’ve had 3 of those 4 KK’s busted, and not once by an Ace. I know that I’m using a small test sample as an example, but this is just one of literally hundreds and hundreds of scenarios that I’ve witnessed online that have happened to myself and countless others. In my opinion, Rush has the most realistic handle on the situation. So I’m asking for advice. What can we do about it? I come from the middle of Corn Country where there isn’t anything but small riverboat casinos who don’t have poker. Online seems to be my only option. I LOVE THIS GAME, but I live on too much of a budgeted income too keep wasting my time getting 4/1 or better odds shoved straight up my ass! I get tired of condescending idiots claiming that I’m just whining, when they know they’d be in trouble in a live game. Yes there are pro players who are successful in no limit formats playing loose, but they also get involved in hands that get them in trouble. Yes you will see bad beats on TV, but remember that TV is edited. Sure there’s bad beats in live games, but not at this astounding rate. Online poker seems to always reward loose play. I’d love to see some tournament statistics on bad beats from real tournaments vs. online. I’m sure that anyone who isn’t a believer now would believe then. Thanks for giving me a forum so that I didn’t have to go on tilt and lose more money.
I have run into the same exact problem. Cashed out after my first month and everything was great. All of a sudden I’m getting busted by the most ridiculous hands. I don’t know if it’s rigged but the algorithm that are being used at most sites just don’t seem to keep up with real gameplay.
Online poker is for donkeys. Online poker sites make money off the rake. What better way to create more rake than to get more people involved in the hand for greater sums of money. I just observed a whole slew of hands at Titan poker. Here are the list of boards. It speaks for itself.
6s 7s Ah
3s 10h Qs
10d Ad 5s 5h Qd 5-2 beats A-4
8c 2c Ac
8s Qc 3d 5c
Jd 9d 2s
5h 3d Ad 3h 7s Jd-5c beats Kd-9d & Jh-Qh HMMMM!
8s Ks 10s 3h 6s
6h 8d As Kd
8h 7h 3s 10s
3s 10s 5d 8s Ks
9s 5h 6h
4h 9h 3c 4s 3s 4-9 beats K-Q
Kd Qs 3d
8s 3d Ac
Qs 3d Qc 8h 7d K-J splits K-J
7d 2s 4h
9c 5h 8h 3c Qd J-10 beats A-6
Ad 9d 7s 7h 9c A-8 beats Q-Q
As 9d 2c Kc 4s J-9 beats 3-3
7h 6h Js 5d 5h Ah-Jh beats K-K
And yes these last three hands occurred one right aftre the other!
For the record an Ace floped 45% of the hands, and possible four flushes flopped 70% of the time!
Online poker makes its money from the rake like any other poker room. Only they get to write their own software.
AMEN
its all about the rake. they must be paying somebody to keep quiet cause anyone who is serious about poker knows there is way too many action flops. i only play free now to waste some time. i dont know how some of you still put $$$$ on there. i cant do it.
I keep meticulous records of my poker tournament play. (God help me if the IRS raided my computer). I couldn’t help but notice that 67% rate of return fell to deep negative after I withdrew money from Poker Stars. I always thought people were sore losers, but statistics don’t lie. Don’t believe, than check out sharkscope.com (you can look at 5 peoples on-line gambling names per day for free. Put in the name and site and you can look at their statistics…seems scandalous, but that’s another blog). It is shocking how many people quickly won a couple hundred dollars before falling off the chart. I don’t think its beginners luck. If anyone knows of a legitimate poker website that makes money off the buy-ins and deals random let me know. Until then it’s the casinos for me…got to love the American Indians! See you at the tables.
To start off anyone that says online poker is not rigged or the sites themselves dont cheat are simply the people being paid by the sites to do so. I call these people “cheerleaders”, and they are every where, writing above and they are the ones you play against in the poker sites and when you complain they gang up on you and say you suck.
For one i have been playing online poker since 1999 and offline since 1989. Ive played at Party Poker, Ultimate Bet, Poker Stars, Paradise Poker, VC Poker, Poker School Online and others. They are all a scam.
For 2, in real world poker where i have played in vegas, atlantic city and foxwoods i am a winning poker player. I have tracked my losses and earnings and keep stats of my progress through the years. And My wins far outweight my losses.
For 3, real professional poker players like Daniel Negranue have said online poker is a joke. They are simply being PAID by the online sites to endorse online poker and draw suckers in. They dont use their own money because they know whats going on, anyone that says they do is lying. Online poker is a joke.
For 4, Poker sites are a business, a business that is illegal in the US and is why they are all over seas. There is no governing agency regulating them period, the way they make money is through raking hands, these hands can easily be rigged to make a higher rake and make them more money.
If you dont think online poker is rigged, simply put you are a sucker and deserve to lose your money.
For 5, playing “by the book” does not work online….why? Because the poker sites rigg the software around good play and reward bad play to further increase the rake and keep bad players hanging around.
Keeping players hanging around is how they make their money, no matter how long you play for…you will eventually LOSE.
Anyone that says they consistently win at online poker is full of crap, it is impossible.
Online gambling is all fixed, the sooner you realize that the more money you will save yourself.
Its great for practice and free play but you simply cannot make signicant money playing online without losing it back, its impossible.
They are the house, their job is solely to maximize profit for themselves. To do this they advertise, pay pros to play at their sites and rigg the cards.
Anyone that begs to differ is working for them, being paid to tell lies and “cheerlead” their BS. And make you think you are a bad poker player. Dont listen to them, and dont put money in online poker. You will lose it over time, GUARANTEED.
Online poker sites are nothing more than liers, cheaters and theives.
And we all know what happens to liers, cheaters and theives.
They might be making money now, but in the end all involved will pay. So to them i hope they enjoy their money while they can, because they wont be around forever, and id like to be their when they meet their maker in the after life….because it wont be pretty and they will all BURN for being liers cheaters and theives.
So my advice is if you want to play real poker goto a B&M cardroom and develope your game. Use online for fun only.
In online poker any 2 will do and in the long run you are guranteed to lose.
Beware of the cheerleaders, they do exist, and you can spot them, and im sure you already have.
Good Luck…..NOT
I found a cheerleader!! Scroll up to Post number 9… click the name and it goes to vcpoker.com.
Typical cheerleader saying its not rigged and that you suck.
I’ve played on two different poker sites with the same pattern that occurs…I would start off winning 2/3 of the hands. After awhile when my $$ would start getting high, I would start losing more hands, until the point where I was losing 15-20 hands in a row! I think it may be programmed so that no good poker player can make too much, because many amateur players would lose too often and quit, and the population on these sites would dramatically decrease, and so would the sites’ profits. In a nutshell, I think they keep people from doing too well. As far as players scamming others, I get a little suspicious when someone stays in with a 2-7 offsuit and beats my pair of kings when a 2 and 7 appear on the turn and river…
By the way, I still think its possible to beat the odds of mal-programming if you are good enough.
Slick you are my hero. I am not alone.
wow, i’ve been reading the last 20 or so post, haven’t read them in about a month or so. you guys really hit the nail right on the hammer. it is starting to become clear to me, that we may have a problem here after all. but for some of us, online poker may be the only option, by the way i agree with deadbird, when he says online poker can still be beat. But it shouldnt have to be a constant strugle just to make a few bucks. So what can be done? What can we profecent poker players do to help the matter? Maybe we could incourage other players at the table to visit this website, even though we all hate those bots that constantlly avertize there promising bonuses. That may help shine some light on some players, so at least they can be aware. We could also email support of our beloved poker rooms the location of this website, maybe if they get enough of them they will start to pay attention to them. Who knows they may read what OPS said, and relize they would be better off hosting a fair and balaced game. Any of you guys got any better ideas? By the way JACKS SUCK!!!
I’ve heard the argument many times that on-line casinos are a license to print money, so they have no reason to cheat. Additionally I’ve heard that there isn’t a large enough profit margin for them to do so. Although I wish it were true, it is not. Simple scenario 9 players pay 100 each to a prize pool and 5 to play a 9 man tournament. The house takes $50 to provide the forum. 8 are players and 1 the house. The house has the advantage of knowing others cards and picking the river card, thus wins every time. Now instead of earning 50 they’ve earned 500 (the original 50 and prize of 450). If I recall correctly one on-line site got caught doing exactly this.
How I make money playing online? I take second a lot. I just checked my stats and have taken second in 46% of on-line tournaments entered. My percentage of 1st is 9%. If you pay attention you can identify a player getting cards that are simply too hot and too lucky. Never go all in against this player and if you’re a great player you’ll fall into 2nd. I’ve learned this through experience. I don’t know any other way to explain losing most head to head matches with a 96% odds of winning going into the river. Tracking my last 3 2nd place finishes. 1. KK vs JJ (all in) 33J flop 2. AK vs AA (all in…ouch) 3. J10 vs JQ flop JJ10 turn 6 (all in) river Q 4. This does happen with real games, but not with the frequency I’ve seen on-line. In all fairness I have taken 1st at about 1/5 the times I’ve taken 2nd.
If you don’t want to believe you’re being taken, than believe I’m terrible head to head it won’t hurt my feelings. (In live games I’ve lost head to head once on a river card in the last year…bad beats do happen)
Saying, “You can never get a fair deal if people are invovled!”
For More info on BOTS see this article.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6002298/
Just imagine how good a bot could be if it knew your cards!
omg i shouldve found this forum a week ago. yes, its true. online poker is totally rigged. its not about luck or fortune and crap….e.g. id been getting great hands whil im playing play money but all of a sudden everything took an upside down rutine at real money table. 6 4; 2 7; q 9; …i can keep on going and i literally remember how i lost $8 just by cheking and lookin at those noxious cards. THIS IS SCAM. definitly is.. i went with $400 this time into a 10/40 to somehow scare out of those short stack players..i got beaten 2 times over some f***ing straight …and once for following a flush. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE. its shit. i mean totally bullsh**. Disgraceful. there was no comparison. its just so not with it man! or you see when they start raising with their A K…and there is NO A or K or a possible draw for em …they continue outrawing other players. SCAM all! whoever says that it is not or its about intolrence or not dare to play live, hes shittin you and hes probly one of those online sharks
hear it from me, PartyPoker is an ilustrious place to get your ass rigged.
I stringly believed it is a scam! I thinks it is computer programmed to limit the wins. the schedule is like that: I put money in, a win for a day, make money, and then I lose them all, even though I have fantastic hands. the flush doesnt come out anymore, i am beaten by stulid hands like 37 preflop, etc… i am giving up. how is that possible to win 10 times in a raw, and then nothing,
absolutely nothing. and what do i do next? put some more money in? no, thanks.
zan
I’m with you guys on this one, but was not a believer until May ‘06. I went on a huge streak over the course of 2 weeks on PokerStars. Started out on the 1/2 NL tables and absolutely could not lose. It was quite silly, really. To the point that I would see the flop with donk anything (including 7 2 os) and still come out a winner. Moved up in the limits until I was playing 10/20 and ended up clearing $20K. The streak continued until I cashed out $9K.
Once that check cleared, I was sunk. After the cashout I stuck to my game plan and playing style (tight aggressive), but was getting sucked out on every hand. Flopping top set with a rainbow board and some idiot hitting runner runner flush calling my all in with nothing more than an overcard. Gutshots left and right, flopping quads only to see my opponent hit higher quads on the river…the list goes on. Even got taken down by 2 Royals to my top sets in one day (played 400 hands). You tell me the odds of that happening because my mind cannot comprehend. In 10 years of playing B&M, I have seen ONE Royal. Personally, I have never had one.
At least I came out ahead and was wise enough not to keep reloading in hopes of hitting another ‘miracle’ streak. I know some have not been so fortunate.
Let the buyer beware…
Thank God someone else is putting this out there… Relative good player, and placed well out of 6K people in a Sunday Million on pokerstars. Next thing you know, I can’t win anything at the table games.
See Post #20 regarding players sitting on multiple tabes up to 11 at a time. I started keeping track using the notes feature on PS. Noticed several similiar facts.
1. Everyone is not from the U.S.
2. They never chat
3. Pots won prior to my entering the table were very minimal, ex. $3/6 table takes down pots worth less than $8.00 dollars.
4. The moment any new player enters table, all blinds are raised between the players to encourage someone to jump in the hand, however, one of the players (working in unison) will fold the hand so as not to increase the chase if no “victims” posted the preflop raise.
5. There is usually one minion who will help to raise the pot up for his partner, then immediantely fold the hand, after the target has called any bets, (again partnering). Again check the “find player” option and research player to see if player is on multiple tables and the answer is always YES.
6. They never fold either, seen them call bets with 7, 9os..all the way to the river. So no logic for even being in the hand.
Okay, so thinking I’m being paranoid, I actually called with great hole cards, and played them aggressively, only to see them lose to their 6,4 os. calling hand. I wouldn’t of seen that but for PS showing the winning hand. Guy calls me over $175 on 6,4os?
So I got hustled big time, but I couldn’t put my finger on how PS would actually be involved. My thinking at first was that it was collusion at the tables amongst players, but now… how can those flops come, Q,A s vs. 6, 4 landing pefecting for this (*&%^). It’s like every card they needed constantly, magically appeared. Countless examples of my quads being beaten by a Royal Flush, my trips being beaten by a boat. Could go on and on about that. Even tried their logic, playing lower suited connectors, nothing..never worked for me. I thought perhaps they were putting me on high cards all the time, so I went low.
Also I noticed in 4 days since placing so high in the Sunday Million I have only 3X had pp, (nominal hands)77,88,1010, all which lost. I have played hundreds of hands and not once did my KA,QA, make bank for me. I took 1 nice pot from someone, however, they weren’t on multiple tables (from what I can tell on PS).
I believe they review the winners listed on big tournaments then sit like vulchers in waiting. I had a huge bulleyes on my forehead.
Tried other sites during these events, such as Doylesroom, Paradise and won/played just fine. But it’s a matter of time before they realize I can play decently and the target will be locked in.
Two other coincidences (or are they)..I tried cashing out my winnings and couldn’t for 48 hours after tourney, and PS would not let me deposit any money into my account, saying I’d reached maximum deposits for a 30 day period. Upon review and my email to them, I explained I had only deposited little over $1700 in 8 days. No explanation given to their math??? but a nice email to let me know they have increased my deposit limits.
How thoughtful of them! Love any feedback!
the odds in online poker simply to not hold up. whether you are a professional, amateur, good, or bad. in the real world odds WILL hold up in a eight hour period of poker playing. there are bad beats and lucky draws but over a long period odds will consistantly provail. in the online poker world they do NOT. i went all in with pocket Qs 12 times in a three hour period. its suspicous enough that i was dealt pocket Q’s 12 times in a three hour period but i lost EVERY SINGLE TIME. the odds of winning a hand when you are dealt pocket Q’s is 4:1. i lost 12 times with pocket Q’s in one day! that is when i gave up playing online.
additionally, play in multiple tables at once and you will see that you will get the SAME hands at multiple tables at the same time. i was chatting with another player about it at the table and the same thing was happenning to him…he had AA at two tables at the same time!!! ridiculous. i also noticed that right after i started chatting about the possibility of pokerstars being rigged is when i went on the streak of 12 losing pairs of pocket Q’s until my bankroll was gone. promptly cancelled my account.
Another possibility to the high incedents of ‘Bad Beats’ and unrealistic hands is the use of cheat software. Not the kind that is available on the market, but custom written cheat software that is used by private groups. The potential of millions of dollars in winnings is enough to motivate highly talented programmers to create RNG cracking software. For example, Poker RNG 4.0 is on the market for $500 and is a piece of garbage, but the technology it works off of is real. It fails b/c you manually have to enter over 2000 hands before it becomes accurate. A talented programmer or two could easily create a bank of BOTS that play thousands of hands a day in low stakes rooms and tourneys, log the hands, and crack the RNG in a day or two. Then they have a week or so to run free reign on the site until the RNG is changed again. Whether the site software is rigged, biased, or just poorly designed, I think that the possiblility of this type of hacking is huge and one can assume it is taking place at all times. I work for a software company with some great programmers, they have assured me that they could write such a program in a matter of days. The bottom line is that if you want to play good, fair poker, don’t play online.
This is so true. Never play at party poker.com. It lets you win first especially if you play high stakes games. I won $2K in 3 days then I couldn’t go one cent above $2k for the next week and guess what I lose the $2k and more of my money.
So, its definitely a scam and I have seen a lot of guys playing multible tables non stop like 24 hours a day which is very suspicious to me. I also believe that some scammers with different usernames sit on the same table and wait for the sucker to come in. I am almost 99% sure of that. I have AA and a guy with 4,6 calls my all in, and we have equal amounts of chips (about $700) and guess what -> the flop is 446 and he gets full house and me loosing my $700 to 4 6.
How can anyone call $700 with 4 6 off suit?
Anyway, my advice, never ever play online for real $.
Could not agree more, spread the word online poker is not for real, stay clear and play the live game much more better.
I agree with article 21 – Rush.
I started playing online poker 1 year ago, at cryptologic. Generally playing a tight aggressive game and making about $50k in 1st 6 months, playing 1/2 and a little 2/5 NL. I must have been regarded as a winning player by the firm. All of a sudden i found it pretty difficult to win consistently – fighting a constant battle to break even for 3 months. I dont feel my game has really changed a great deal. It started to cross my mind that i might have to brush the dust off my CV and get a job – sickening thought.
So, as an experiment played on my friends new account on same network, deposited $2k and turned it into $10k in 3 weeks playing same levels. The experiment went a fair way to confirm i was thinking, that new players get a slight edge.
I still think it’s possible to make good money online, but just have to be pro active moving around the networks. Stay on one account too long without moving up the levels and you`ll get shafted
Still any program that can control winning and losing to benifit the site is not fair to either side (winner or loser) and its definitely not poker. i play online a lot but only for free now, but anyone who plays alot can kinda get a sense that the program has complete control. Sometimes you can’t lose, doesnt matter what you do, (raise preflop w/nothing and get callers with legit hands and you flop a monster, or the opposite, see no hands for hours then the blinds get bigger and you get AA,AK,etc…or make a great call on a bluff only to lose on a miracle draw. seen it thousands of times from both sides.
Also like ben said in #56 its uncanny how many hands you get alike while playing multi tables or even weirder, table 1 i’ll have JQ and the flop on table 2 will be JJQ or something similar. and not just once in a while.
Yeah i agree wit most of the people here.
Online poker is totally rigged and its a scam. Ive been playing poker for almost a year online now, and i consider myself to be very good playing live. But online: i just cant win no mather what i do. Like Sit n Go`s. I win a 2-table $22 with no problems at all. Suddenly i just lose and lose with the same $22 SNG 4-5 times in a row. Its like Partypoker wants their money back (the one i just won a few days ago). And next day, kabooom, i win $22 SNG easily. I get big hands after big hands, and no mather what the other players do, i win.
Other things thats wierd is that you NEVER EVER see the same good players at the final table. They are all participating, but the system wont let them get to the final table. Its like “You had your share of luck”.
And i cant even really explain how many stupid bad beats there is. KK AA gets beaten by QJ, TJ, 44… a lot of times. Or AK against a stupid hand such as Q9, and the flop comes QQ9. FULL HOUSE. Yeah right?!
ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED. STAY AWAY
I’ve experienced much of what has been written here.
I started with a $20 bankroll and promptly turned that into $300 over the course of a week. The switch was then turned and the bankroll crashed to $5. Miraculously, they did not bust me out and I turned that roll into $1500 — this time slowly moving up levels — until the switch was turned and my monsters started getting called by multiple donks with sub-optimal hands (not even spec hands like suited connectors) who would always hit their 3 outers. Occasionally the program would mix it up a bit and I would never get action on my monsters but would always get called on bluffs by the “person” holding bottom pair or worse.
Whether the rooms/sites themselves are corrupt is still speculative, however there is rampant corruption amongst players in the form of collusion (see #20).
I’ve seen it happen. One time was particularly funny because I busted them on it. Smelling something fishy, and holding AA, I simply limp in. Player to my left then min raises and it is called back around to me by two others. I reraise, player to my left reraises me, then a call, an all in, I call AND PLAYER TO MY LEFT ( the shill ) FOLDS, followed by a call. Three in the pot including me and I ultimately win against QQ and 78 off suit. In the text box, one writes, “what?”, another “Oh no” and then all three immediately leave the table.
The other alarming thing I’ve noticed is the likelihood of “bots”, probably bots created by the sites themselves to boost table participation. They all seem to buy in with less than half.
One evening I decided to experiment and, at a table with three other players and myself, always let the timer expire close to zero ON EVERY HAND, no matter if I was folding preflop, on the flop, calling the turn, etc. NOT ONE PLAYER COMPLAINED. They just diligently went on with their play. Now you would think that after three hours of this going on one or more would leave, type “zzzzz”, etc. Nope, not a peep; they just kept playing their game.
Incidentally, after that episode, which costs the site money because less hands are played and therefore less rake, I immediately went on a terrible losing streak and busted out. I reloaded again for $20 a few weeks later and one the very first hand flopped a straight which lost an all in to someone who flopped a higher straight.
There is a site out there commited to ending online poker fraud. http://www.pokerconduct.com The forums are full of people who have had exactly the same experiences described here. Take a look.
Gotta love modern capitalism !
Always looking for the next new scam to rip off the masses . . .
Not a communist, but do feel that the current system rewards the scammers
I’ve been playing online for about 2 years. I use no cheats, bots etc. Online is a different game to live, due to quantity of hands being played, especially if you multi-table you will see alot of cold decks. Just need to have good notes on the players and play good poker. I`ve made $500k this year, so its done me ok. I play 5/10 and 10/20 cash tables. The poker firms would not have so many customers if it was one big scam. Remember 90% of players are losing players, so you lot are prob in this quota.
lol, that’s funny. Your right we’re just a bunch of cry babies on here crying about our bad beats. Please forgive us. First, i don’t believe you’ve made 1/2 a million dollars this year online, thats B.S. (i’ve made 3 million this month) Second, don’t know where u get 90% of players are losing players, maybe 90% of beginners, but not experienced players focused on winning. and oh your the 2nd person to post that online poker is legit out of 66. So the odds that your right is….. 3%.
lol Steve, your’re funny also. like the way you reach 3%, note that the 66 people in this forum are mainly people that moan about online poker and have had bad experiences. Mainly losing players.
i like the comment ‘..but not experienced players focused on winning.’ Are inexperienced players focused on losing?
I’ve had bad beats (sickening infact) playing live ring games – i dont blame the dealer for base dealing everytime.
I`ve risen through the stakes to play in the big online games. You do need to be able to handle the swings, which can be huge and really affect your confidence. That’s where you bankroll is imperative.
It is rigged to let the begginers move on, balance the tables, and entertainment value. How would it fx with a bunch of sharks and cheaters beating begginers continuosly? It wouldnt. This is why there are millions of people ’still’ playing, not for long though. Eventually new players will get cycled through and quit and word will get around, like it is now, and people wont bother, and the fad will die.
A*A
Big Bill Oreilly and Fox always looking out for the little guy. Fox sports channel has been airing all year Mansion Poker Dome on Sunday nights. They say it is free yet they made it real difficult to qualify for there tournaments unless you pay on Mansion Poker.com. I had to cancel my credit card due to fraudulent charges they made on it. They will not pay the money I won in there games or let me play in the Poker Dome tournament I paid to qualify in. It is well known on the internet that they do not pay. I have emailed Fox executives before on this and they never even bothered to return my emails. I guess that’s how you look out for the little guy by continuing to promote there site.
David Yohannan
Hey all you bozos, doi you think that the reason you see so many good hands is because you see allot more hands than in live games. Think about it.
Your an idiot. Heard that excuse, already thought about it, does’nt work for me.
ofcourse online poker is a scam. the ones saying that its not a scam, are the ones cheating and or affiliated with the poker rooms in question. I myself have played at every major poker room on the net and have lost at everyone of them… YES bad beats do happen at real tables, but how often do you see it? alot more often online.. iv used Neteller, Click2Pay,Firepay, etc, etc.. to fund my poker accounts i’v lost thousands of dollars in the past year and now all these funding sources call me atleast once a day to collect on debt… BUT GUESS WHAT, there is no debt.. the reason is that the poker rooms and funding sources are all in it together. once you fund your poker account, the source you went through just got payed triple the amount you diposited from the poker room you played at… look at it this way. why are there such places like neteller or click2pay? why would somebody go through them to pay for something other then online gambling and pay a huge fee when all they have to do is use there bank account or credit card an not be charged any fee’s. i owe over $5,000 to the funding sources iv just talked about and guess what….. THEY AINT GETTIN DIME FROM ME, i told um to go get it from the poker rooms that conned me out of it, and they shut up real quick after i told them i had proof..
I WILL SHUT THESE POKER ROOMS DOWN… I WILL PROVE THEY ARE SCAMS…. and i WILL sue the living daylights out of the funding sources that alow the average working person to get screwed through online poker..
if anyboby agrees with this statment please contact me at matt@usav8.com
I will tell you guys something about online poker. Everybody is just about right its part legit, part scam and all are full of cheaters. I used to for work for partypoker.com once I found out how easy it was to take massive amounts money from players at online poker sites …. just put it this way I havent work in four years and I make about 1000% more than I ever made at any job. One guy mentioned a boiler room where people get together and cheat the online poker players .. We call it the Bakery… get it Chips, bread, dough.. it all relates to money! Anyways me and 5 business patners have the set up 22 monitors, a network with about 2000 GB of space , etc. We have the works and tapped into the major sites Partypoker, Pokerstars, Mansion, Titian, Doyles and Absolute. It started out small $100 or $200 and some days were hit and miss but just like everything else practice makes perfect. (An average day now is about $4000.00) You ask how? I’ll tell you… With the setup we have one guy can control up to six seats at one table theres just about no way to lose. If you every get a chance watch some tables where the sit down is a $500 or $1000 min. most likely one of us will be on it. All need is to get started is about four PCs network ,couple of different I.P address, wireless modems and a business account that you and your buddies are on. Thats all … sorry if this upsets anyone But … well you know.
I make close to $4k/day without cheating! Just so many mugs around, game selection is so important. It may work in some games Brian, but in the higher stake games, most of the players know each other.
Hello Matteus,
If you make $4k/day and be consisent thats great. But $4k is an average day we have made as much as $65k in one day. I am not bragging or trying to rub it in anyones face I just wanted to let some people know that there is some major cheating going on and I guess in way by saying it, it ease’s my conscience a bit. Good Luck to you Matteus
In regards to online poker being rigged as not as many hands come out in reality as opposed to online – think about the law of averages? If you flip a coin 50 times, it may come up heads:tails @ 15:35. If you flip the coin 500000000 times it’s going to be allot closer to 50/50 isn’t it? Allot more hands being dealt means each combo appears allot more!
^^ Just my 2c for what it’s worth (not much
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In regards to brians comments above – you are just trying to talk it up in my opinion – no one cares that you cheap honest players – myself included out of their hard earned (or not so hard :p ) cash!
No one gives a flying f*ck mate how much you can *STEAL* in a day – good for you!
Wow… this is true. I did the same about 6 month ago with a business account. I had one poker site a two buddies and i would play at. We each were on the bank account which allowed us to fund our accounts. We had one cable modem, one dsl, and one dial-up (at first). This gave us each seperate IP addresses and differnet speeds to “mix it up”. We then would sit at the same table. To avoid security, which does exist on the poker site, we simply would play like we would any other card game, but we know each other’s hole cards. Example: p1 AK, p2, Q3, and p3 89 (suites don’t matter in this example)… flop comes K 9 10. As you can see, we all had some piece of this flop such as draws or high pair… this is where the “bumping” the pot would come in. AK is the dominating hand… but if some loser came in we would just play hard and raise… get the picture. At the end of the day, several hundreds of dollars could be made. Best day was over $10,000 (50/100 NL).
Is online poker a scam… NO (if you know how to play the table)
December 18th, 2006 at 7:10 am
I will tell you guys something about online poker. Everybody is just about right its part legit, part scam and all are full of cheaters. I used to for work for partypoker.com once I found out how easy it was to take massive amounts money from players at online poker sites …. just put it this way I havent work in four years and I make about 1000% more than I ever made at any job. One guy mentioned a boiler room where people get together and cheat the online poker players .. We call it the Bakery… get it Chips, bread, dough.. it all relates to money! Anyways me and 5 business patners have the set up 22 monitors, a network with about 2000 GB of space , etc. We have the works and tapped into the major sites Partypoker, Pokerstars, Mansion, Titian, Doyles and Absolute. It started out small $100 or $200 and some days were hit and miss but just like everything else practice makes perfect. (An average day now is about $4000.00) You ask how? I’ll tell you… With the setup we have one guy can control up to six seats at one table theres just about no way to lose. If you every get a chance watch some tables where the sit down is a $500 or $1000 min. most likely one of us will be on it. All need is to get started is about four PCs network ,couple of different I.P address, wireless modems and a business account that you and your buddies are on. Thats all … sorry if this upsets anyone But … well you know.
The pros get paid for hawking the sites. It doesn’t mean anything when they appear to be playing on a site. They are part of the hype. It’s the only way they can make money off you and me.
I agree its rigged even tho Im a winning player both online and live its rigged for action, action now a days I play small stakes and small tourneys just for practice I use online poker just for practice practice like playing small stake tables tourneys and freerollsssssss bottomline is its rigged for action
On-line poker is not rigged.Most peolpe dont understand what seems to be a countless number of badbeats is due to the increase in hands seen per hour.Also keep in mind the donkey factor.People will play hands that they would be too embarrassed to play in a live game.You do have to adjust your game especially when playing multiple tables at once.On-line poker is still a great way to increase your income for any good player.You dont even have to be good,just a little above average.
My take on internet poker is that it is a bogus scam.
Won’t go into hand structures and things like that even tho these arguments are valid. Internet poker is what happens when a highly profit oriented biz operates in a totally unregulated environment. I have bantered this with many players and the arguments don’t hold up.
Argument 1: The sight is regulated by the kauwakanna (or whatever) gaming commision of Canada.
response-Who pays the regulatory agency to regulate and how much weight do they carry in central America.
Argument 2-You see more bad beats because you see more hands per hour.
Response-You see a higher percentage of bad beats regardless of the total number of hands.
Argument3-They wouldn’t dare to run a crooked site-if they were found out they would be ruined.
Response-Very difficult to “prove” since anything can happen on any given hand so the chance of concrete proof is minimal and profit (maximum) outweighs the risk (minimal).
In the long run it is very similar to a slot machine. There are winners and there are losers-but the house sets the odds and wins most of the money in the long run.
By design good play is not rewarded consistently. If this were to happen then good players would run over 90 percent of the sites clientelle in very short order. This would be bad for the site since the fish would get eaten too quickly and wouldn’t rebuy.
I could rattle on for ever but it would do little good. My grandfather had a saying about advise-smart people don’t need it and fools won’t take it. For what its worth my advise is don’t play real money internet poker other than for entertainment. Its fun-its entertaining but it isn’t poker.
I wanted to say i have been playing online and i am 1000000% sure online is rigged. Iuse to play on fulltilt and pokerstars which both sites cheat. If you are playing online stop. I realize online has no comparison to live play. I been playing poker going on 6 years and the stuff they pull on these sites is crazy. Thank god bush passed that law to ban online gambling.
First off all, sorry if my English it’s not good enough (I’m not an English speaker).
Been playing for a while now in online poker, “I’m not a pro just an amateur” and well it seems there are lots of incredible joking rivers constantly. My last one: (I had 55) flop qq5 the other guy had Q3 or so cant remember, anyway he went all in so I did, THE RIVER WAS A Q!!!!!!! What a joke! lucky me it was just a 3 pounds turnament! Joking river mafia server!
Also when I used to play 1 on 1, they keep you playing and playing keeping money circulating, after 30min about the both are losing money…
Maybe i’m a bit paranoic but when you withdrawal some money then it’s much harder to win.
Provably it’s me that I’m a bad player…
maybe it’s rigged….maybe it’s not…but, can anyone tell me the possibility of getting dealt JJ 3 times in 30 minutes and getting all in against AA twice and AK once…….and obviously the flop coming out AKK on the third hand….? No proof but sounds a little too peculiar…..don’t you think? I am not complaining or anything but….geeze….if it’s not rigged that is the worse cold deck I have ever seen…
It feels like its rigged sometimes but dont agree that it is. Like a few have said you see alot more hands. If I lose to running cards in live games, I don’t shout at the dealer, even though i would like to smash his brains in.
I use pokertracker so can analyse my hands, i play around 40k hands a month. over a year period and close to 500k hands, you can see all the swings. Try and play that many hands live – you`ll see some beats. Im a winning pro online player, but adapting to be a live pro, as the usa will prob ruin it and shut down all poker sites eventually. Which will make most of the bitter people above happy.
in my opinion, some of the best cash online players will go on and be the players around in live environment. just through sheer hands played, look at patrick antonius beating the big game now.
Look me up on sharkscope. It will tell you I’m the biggest loser. I beg to differ.
I signed up for pokerstars and placed 2nd in a $4 buy in the first game I played. After that, nothing but lose. Reloaded the same day, lost it all again. Reloaded, won some lost it all. I folded 48 hands in a row on one sng. When I cought AK AQ or AJ, the board was paintless and low. Turn? low. River, blank. When I did pick it up, the board was screaming straight or flush and I would usually lose. AK agains 33? no problem. The board would come up blank or a 3 would hit. Trips? no no sir, a better set or flush beats your trips and so does a straigt full-house or quads, made on the river. I’ve been pummeled and beaten more times than I care to admit, yet I can count the times on a carpenters hand that i’ve left a brick and mortar with less than i entered. Yes it’s rigged. I’ve lost 500 bucks now, and am quiting. I am a good player and I know it. On-line I just can’t win no matter how I change up my play. On-line poker is written and controlled by a corporation so their interest is making money, plain and simple not letting skill dominate the tables.
I have 30 bucks left and I’m cashing out never to look back on on-line poker again. I suggest you all do the same
It’s rigged. The positive posts are transparently coming from the gambling sites. Who would be posting here if they are making a killing online? Matusow lost half a million playing online in six months. Of course, he’s a terrible player, right?
There is no way it’s not rigged. I’ve only lost about $150 at full tilt and I’m going to cut my losses and never pump more money into these sites again. Samething with me, after I deposit I win, get my bank roll up nice then after a few weeks of being up it’s nothing but suck outs, bad beats and just hands that should HAVE NEVER HAVE WON. It’s not real poker folks!!! If you live away from a casino start your own game with friends or join face book and find poker games in your area. If you live in the bush or have no friends find a different hobby and save your money.
My 2 cents.
I have started playin poker for about a year now and after studying the strategies of pros and learning what hands should be played at what times, I began playin small tournies with my friends, one per week. 3 out of 5 times i won so thats good. I decided to play for money online,BIG MISTAKE!! My first small deposit of 20 bux brought me almost 110 dollars because of my strategy and good cards came. But like the saying goes pride comes before the fall. All of a sudden my starting hands became really horrible. At one point out of 40 or so hands in a row I either got low crap or a high card with a shitty kicker such as an ace 6 or queen 5. Whats even more amazing was the hands people were calling me with. AA raise preflop called with 5 10 offsuit only to lose to a 2 pair on the flop, KK goin all in against AA. Whenever I had queens or jacks the person who always calls my raise or all in has a KA or KK or even AA.
Whenever the player has an AK the Ace or the king ALWAYS hits. My starting hands such as JJ 1010 or QQ rarely hold up because there’s always an ace on the board and I never hit flushes despite havin 2 suited pocket cards and another 2 matching suits on the flop. But…when someone else just goes on a flush draw, turn or river gives it to the donk.
In another play i had J 10 suited and the flop was 6 4 king. Guy bet a small amount and I knew he had bullshit otherwise he wouldve bet big to scare any drawing hands. I called him and on the turn it was a 10,giving me a flush draw and a decent pair. Guy goes all in and I decide to call because i had decent outs. He reveals his cards and it turns out he had a 5 8 of spades, and the river gives him a seven. Despite havin only 2 outs, he hit his miracle card and brags about how awesome his play was. I almost smashed the monitor because this was only one of the many incidents that occur on bodog. Bodog is donk heaven but how can i win when they keep sucking out with whatever they have. Too many times have i seen pocket kings against pocket aces and at one point i had to fold pocket jacks because it was obvious the 2 people before me had AA and KK. Another thing that i realize is when im losing, Its over!! Hands like A J or AK never hit and only low cards come up on the board, wasted money. After losin all the money i deposited I thought that maybe if I play more strickly i’ll be doing better. I actually did do better, going from 50 to 195 which is good for a player like me. Once it got up to 195 it was all over. Suckout after suckout until I went down to about 30 dollars. Then I was pretty much going up and down at that point until my three of a king was busted by a river flush. What an awesome way lose money. Pretty much after that point I deposited about a 150 dollars more over the course of a couple of weeks and right now I can only describe to you how the money looked like.
My account is down to zero,will I deposit again? Hell no, enough is enough. Too many times have donks hit and mocked my good plays. Too many times have I lost to garbage hands. Im down about 250 and im quiting while my losses are small because I know that i would lose it eventually. Are the sites legit? Hell no!!!
1) the sites are not even in the US. No regulation at all.
2) they are online and you dont know what software is being run.
3) Too many straights or flushes, and the river runs with blood!!! Despite the fact that there are way more hands played in online than live poker, it doesnt mean that every time i go in with a strong hand, and Im a patient guy, I lose to w/er cards the donk has. More hands per hour but that doesnt mean my quad 9’s get to be screwed by quad queens. Only in online poker have i gotten 2 royal flushes. In live poker, the highest hand one of my friends ever hit was quads.
people say that poker sites are legit because they have a lot to lose. Think of it….online poker is habit forming and people still play it even if they think it is rigged. I found out it was rigged right after I lost my first deposit but still played for a little longer because I was addicted. Casinos definitely rig pots because for a casino there is no such thing as too much money. Sorry for boring you with this post and I definitely pointed out things that already have been said but I just wanted to express my frustration for these crooked sites. I will satisfy myself by playing with my friends from now on, at least I know they’re not cheating!!
yep, its fixed. i agree with you guys. last month i saw SEVEN four of a kinds in less then 2 1/2 hrs. on party poker. ??? on one hand i had a FH, another i had hi str8, again beaten by 4 of a kind, and then to see 5 more over the next 2 hours??? and some sites seem to let you win early, but you cant pull back your depo till you reach some set number of “points”, which means your back playin, trying to just build points so you can withdraw, and it all gets sucked away…you know the story. can we all be wrong? i think they dont care if we think its fixed or not, cuz there will always be players.(everyone knows slots are fixed-programmed with set odds-and there is no shortage of slot players) i dont even play for free online anymore. just no fun. and for people that say there are always bad beats cuz they see them on tv, realize, these are hi-lights they show from days of play. we see them every few minutes online. go to vegas or a clean home game, you never see action like online. they do it for the rake. and, ALL the online poker sites are registered in the same countries that most of the online scamming seems to be comming from. me, i have all the proof i need. so please, if you believe online poker is fair, then play away. enjoy.
I Love this thread. you guys confirm what ive strongly suspected for years. I Play online for fun from time to time, I usually deposit $50 and play a couple tournaments or some cash games and have done ok. I get up usually then the axe falls and its suckout after suckout runner runner, wtf was he even in that hand for with 6 9 in a reraised pot…
a couple months ago I deposited my $50 after having not played for many months because i found a poker room near my house. and yatzeee i hit a 24+2 for first place. 3500 bucks. i almost began to think maybe it aint rigged.
that same night i saw matusow on a 25/50 nl table and there was a open seat…
i began to get butterflys. ive played with pros in tournaments i satelited into before but a cash game 6 handed with the mouth. and i got 3500 in my acct. wow i really must like poker cuz i got a chubby.
I sat down with my whole roll and figured if i lose it…. wtf.
the table had a couple of highly aggresive players. raising with junk constantly so. i was praying to jesus for just a few good hands.
i guess FTP still had me on their returning player that needs some encouragment list cuz i was getting aces and paint left and right. in 15 minutes i was up to 10k. i was craping my pants. that might be chicken feed to alot of you guys but not to me.
I went to bed that night reliving every hand in my mind until the wee hours. thinking how i could take that bankroll and go down in limit and slowly build on it with solid tight aggresive play.
and about geting to play and talk with mike about those donkeys giving me their money LOL…he called em donkeys not me.
did ok for about a week. even won another 3000 in a 24+2 and got 23rd in one of the 750k tournaments for over 3k payday. busting layne flack and almost david chiu. the little punk bet %90 of his chips then folded to my reraise. cost me a bounty. i digress…
after that i couldnt win a pot that mattered no matter how good i got my chips in. the suckouts and bad beats were constant in the big pots.
i was at about 16k. but after 2 weeks of playing lower limits within my bankroll i was down to 10k. I felt like fish food plain and simple.
one hand that sticks out is my pocket 99 vs 10 7 flop Q9Q. i check, he bets, i raise, he calls. turn 10, I over bet the pot he calls. river you guessed it… 10… i am positive he has a 10 in the hole.. cuz its a huge pot and and would be the sickest runner runner suckout that had become so familiar lately.. unless he was slow playing pocket queens. i check. he goes all in for about %30 of whats in the pot. i call… runner runner for 10s full to beat my floped 9s full.
I cashed out my remaining 10k and am back to occasionally playing a tournament or low limit cash games just for fun.
Its to bad to. It would be the best method of being a poker pro in my opinion.. if you could get a legit game.
I have won at casinos 99 percent of the time i have played cant win online need i say more
I have to say that I am also of the opinion that on-line poker is rigged, when I first started playing the game, I was playing exclusively ONLINE, to the effect I did not understand the percentages or pot odd’s basically I was crap, a newbie of the game. But strangely enough I would win constantly (finishing in the top 10percent) of low buy in tournaments (5-10dollers etc..) with over 1000+ runners. I thought I was a natural, until….. one day that was it, no more winning, but why…. I hadn’t changed anything… (I was still crap)
Naturally I read up on the game extensively, and I mean I read up….
Still nothing, bad beat after bad beat, like AA vrs 3,4, then of course runner runner, 44, time after time after time… this was becoming strange, but yes when I was inexperienced (new to the site / game) I was regularly call stupid draws and more often than not they would come in….
I was nearly at the point of giving up completely , then I started playing live…
Wow, now I am a constant winner, I mean yes I have bad spells, losing streaks where nothing will go right, but I don’t feel cheated…., which is one thing I cant say about on-line……
I have no doubt that “sites†are geared up to new sign-ups…, just pose the question next time you are way into a tournament: who is new to this site???, I bet you will be quite surprised (although its quite obvious, it the ppl getting the utterly unbelievable draws; constantly – I mean with 1-2k runners, realistically how many 50/50 draws do these guy get to get to that position???)
then how is it possible that some people make a living playing online poker at sites like pokerstars ultimate bet etc? if it was rigged seems unlikely that anyone could make much $$$ playing but i know two guys that do.
not to mention theres been no media coverage or anything like that.
I’m totally convinced that online poker is fixed,and people who have been playing poker for any length of time figure this out within a few days of playing online.The only way i can see anyone winning at online poker is if for example at a six player table all six players know one another, maybe then skill would play its part. maybe some folks do win if no one else is allowed to join the table except for people they know. Online poker is just as fixed as pro wrestling, and still some folks you will never convince that wrestling is staged.and those poker stars that promote online poker make good money for their kind words. I too, will tell you that its a great place to play if they paid me thousands of dollars. The thing i am not so sure of is who is doing the rigging.Perhaps hackers rig the game and the poker site can’t stop it for whatever reason.think about it,if they told you that the site is often hacked would you play there? a lot of people who want to continue playing online don’t want to believe the fix is in because then they have no place to play. so into the sand the head goes.
won first three sit and gos I played…lost the next 20 with the most unbelievable beats everrrr! I am done and hope people wake up to the scam that this is. It is a software program that can be rigged at anytime and any way. Digusted in NY!!!
i used to walk past the tables at the casino wishing i knew how to play poker, that is all online poker has tought me. its the best way to LEARN how to play so long as you read and watch pro video’s as well.
now for my experiences.
pokerstars:
learning stage lost around $500. then one night i couldn’t lose any sit n go, i kept going up limits and cashed out $1000 in one night. after losing for what seems like months i banned myself
pokerstars:
signed up my wife and we played together.
this time round the minimum deposit was $10. so i play for a couple of weeks and finally cash out $200
once again bang lights off.
i have never seen things quite like this
i get ak raise to $150… guy goes allin for 800, half my stack of course i call
he shows 82 offsuit
hits trip 2 on the turn
very next hand
ak allin
called by 66
hit ace on turn he gets 6 high straight on river
now these hands were allin before the flop
who goes allin on 82 offsuit
anyway i swear the second you cash out bang your gone
i agree with every blog… it is discusting… it is rigged.. and yet we still play.. so i ask one question, if we are all losing then who’s winning???
im really enjoy poker and the sport i play quarter half at a local bar by my house (good group of guys and fun times) nothing serious have some fun drink some beer play some cards i first started playin they though i was a husler i did so well so i figured id try my luck on poker stars bad mistake didnt take me but about 4 hours to loose 5 hundred bucks needless to say its a scam and anyone ever notice when they watch tv and see the pros play its all trust fund babies guys that never had real jobs or had to work for anything in there life poker is gettin to glorifed on tv thats why sites advertise so much it gives you the alure thats its free fast money and as we all no nothings free or fast they need to cover the whole game from beginnin to end and do interviews with the real prople ( the ones who work for a livin and try there luck ) the real deal is where its at no more online gamin for me 500 dollar lesson
I’m inclined to believe it’s fixed.
I started on partypoker. I’ll be brief because they’re obvious. I was a bad player then and took silly chances, but won 300 in 2 months playing $5 sng’s. I didn’t keep records, but I placed around 70% I’d say. Then I lost every single tournament but one until I cashed out with $100 left. And by the way, the one exception, I took third and never won at showdown. I just bluffed once per level to stay alive.
Poker Stars. Much better site. Too bad it’s rigged. I just played the play money and free rolls. After making a few million in play money, I had obsevers with the most unlikely screen names following me around asking to buy chips. But anyway, I won $1.40 in the free rolls. And then I won like crazy. It took me two months to turn that into $240 playing $5 sng’s and more specifically $1 tourneys. Myhands held up. I hit my draws. And whenever I needed a boost, I’d cathch a monster. And now and then, it wouldn’t let me fold a hand without 5 clicks. Those hands invariably hit huge on the flop.
But then I started taking 4th place in every single sng. It didn’t matter if I was short stacked or fatstacked, I never won a hand once it go down to 4 players. In scheduled tourneys, I’d either go down on bad beats, or more often never get a playable hand. (By the way, action is quicker so you see more bad beats. But you should see more good hands too, right?)
So I went to Full Tilt. After a coulpe months, I decided to give Pstars another try. What do you know. 4th place in Horse on my first game back. Maybe it’s not rigged. I’ll play a few more tourney’s. Final table my next tourney. Final two tables on my next three tourneys, and then done in by a bad beat. Just barely scratched in my next tourney. I’m back to winning about 1 pt per 20 played again. the switch is turned back off. I play a lot of horse. Four tourneys in a row I win the first hand of holdem. I win one pot after that until I’m short stcked in stud hi lo. then I push, and win once before getting busted out by an inferior hand a couple hands later. I mean, there are a lot of patterns on P Stars, I’m just giving 1 example for the sake of brevity.
Full Tilt is a little different. I didn’t start winning immediately. But once I did, I couldn’t lose if I tried. And then, just like that, nothing. I was in a $5 horse tourney once that paid sixteen. I was in 17th when someone started talking trash to me. I told them not to worry, I lost my begginner’s luck bonus a week ago and that I’d only won three pots at showdown in that tourney and two of them were splits. There was a brief pause in the deal before I went on an incredible hot streak and finished third. They wanted to disarm my comment.
Even in free rolls. I brought in 21 out of the first 50 hands in razz once. The next time I played razz, I brought in 30 out of the first 60. Come on. What are the odds. And then I’ll place in 2 or 3 in a row. Once again, what are the odds.
Here’s a few observations.
Party poker-plain crap
PStars Always one or 2 players raising the most ridiculous hands and hitting over and over and over. If you mention this, those players will sit out for a while.
Full tilt Pocket pairs, hit sets a lot, often two people will hit sets, but if not, the lower pair usually wins.
Certain cards get hot and are playable even if they’re bad hands.
Short stcks bring in often. Very very often.
All online poker, win at first then never catch a hand.
I’ve played under friends screen names and won like crazy. Came home and played under my own. It’s fold 30 hands, and lose on a bad beat.
I know two people who make money playing on line. One overplays every hand and almost never wins in live games. The other got tired of losing her beginner’s luck bonus and started cashing out every 2 months when her luck started to slip. Then she comes back from a new E-mail address with a new screen name.
I can’t talk about High stakes, but $5 and below are rigged rigged rigged.
I definitely agree
every game there is a serious bad beat. Always
the site entice u with the bonuses and the sattelites only to lose to flushes and runners in the big $$ tourney’s.
I find find it completely disgusting and feel that someone ought to catch their asses and file a law suit.
The persons who say online poker is not rigged either have not played enough or are getting paid by the online sites, it is so obvious when the poker site change your “luck” and everyone beats you, it does not matter what card you hold you will lose every single time, I have played in different sites. It is not a matter of winning or losing is a matter of common sense, IT IS OBVIOUS >> I have played here:
Poker stars > Bad
Prima Network > Terrible the most rigged site ever
Party poker > Terrible
The reason why professional are playing online is simple; THEY OWN THE SITES OR THEY GET PAID TO PLAY THERE !!!!!!
Good luck and stay away from online poker, BE SMART !!
In response to the last poster, a slight but important correction. I am not paid by the online sites.
I am paid by the idiotic fucks who don’t understand that the 2/4 game on the web has more good players than a game 10x the size in a casino.
I am paid by the idiotic fucks who don’t understand that their ability to beat their dumb, drunken friends does not correlate to an ability to beat people who have played more than a million hands of poker.
I am paid by the idiotic fucks who would rather claim “rigged” than admit that they don’t understand poker, and who claim that bad beats only happen online.
Most of those idiotic fucks probably dump money at the casino too, but it’s easier to replace cash in pocket than to replace cash on a site, so it’s more obvious that they suck when they play online.
Online poker games are pretty terrible these days (Good players are winning 1bb/100h in limit games, 4ptbb/100h in no-limit games), but they’re still beatable. And they always will be. Because there will always be a line of ignorant, idiotic fucks who are unwilling to admit that they suck at poker.
Who monitors online gambling sites to ensure fair play?
Why are they located in places like Costa Rica & Curacao?
How safe is your money and what real security do you have?
Does it trouble you to know how they manipulate their software?
Have you heard the excuse’s they’ll use to confiscate an account?
No one can watch them
So anything goes
Including a fool and his money
On this weeks first episode of Poker After Dark, Mike Matusow made a comment about how good players never win online. He was talking to Shawn Sheikan about how he and David Benyamine never win playing online poker because they are good players. This is exactly how the conversation happened:
Mike (to Sheik): Me and David never win online, we are like the biggest online jokes that ever walked the earth.
Sheik: You know why you guys lose?
Mike: Because we are good players… and all they do is go click click click and BOOM, it randomly hits a miracle.
Sheik: That’s a lot of common sense you got Mike, good players always lose right?
Mike: Good players never win online!
STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH, MAYBE MATUSOW ACTUALLY EXPERIENCES RIGGED ONLINE POKER LIKE THE REST OF US.
I am so glad there are players like Mike out there that will say what they feel and f*** being politically correct.
He knows online poker is BS and he tells it like it is. Instead of trying to convince us otherwise like the rest of the pros and our resident shills (pussy and dum dum), he is actually telling the truth and it is refreshing as Spring Air.
Bots rule online poker sites, check out this site and read the forum, you will be amazed. http://www.winholdem.net/ Bots are only one of many online poker scams.
Most Definate RIGGED! I’m an average poker player. I’ve been in both casinos and online. I do very well at the table but online is ridiculous. I never made anything online. The most I could get up was $200. I played the nightly grand and came in 10th which got me a fare share and brought me my debt back to par. But it got interesting when I got so close to winning a few thoudsand or $33,000 which was first. Everyone on the table was hitting but me and I ended up going all in with AA vs 10 2 unsuited. Go figure, he gets 22 10 on the flop. Who the hell plays in a such a tourney on the final two tables with such crap? Second time I made it to the final two people out of 1700 person tourney. And again I could not win more than what would put me over par. I got beat 5 hands in a row. All of which I had either a high flush or fullhouse on the flop and the other person would somehow call and pull off a 4 of a kind still needing 2 more cards. Those odds are unreal! Stay away from online poker, its not worth it. You might as well just give your money away.
1st, let me apologize for grammar or spelling mistakes, english is not my native language(writing with an online dictionary but stil).
Here leys the dilema. After two years of on and off online poker playing i’m stil not sure whether it is rigged or not. For an obvious reason live poker is a lot slower and players are much more cautious so it seems like there is much more action on the net. On the other hand one would expect to find the same laws of probability on live games as on the net. Rarely i’ve came across 3 way play when 2 players floped 3 of a kind and the 3rd floped top 2 pairs(the flop was 3 diferent cards). It is not so rare online to say the least. In fact i can remember only 1 live hand which 1 player got pocket 55 and i got pocket 66 and we both floped trip’s.
Another issue is sky rocket bankroll building and free fall bankroll losing. Like others 3 days in a row i’m an alfa male, an hour play and i’m doubling my stack and leave happy. from 10 euros to 257 in no time. and then it happens. u floped trip’s they rivered the flush, u floped king high flush and bet strong, they turned a runner A high flush. Seems rigged but come to think about it, when i started out the row i played tight and agressive from time to time. switched tables when i felt most of the players are good and were just wating for the fish as was i, gave up great hands when i thought there is a good chance i’m gonna lose this. In example, after unwillingly laying AA on the turn becuase i smelled trip’s it turned out i was right. on that 3 days i’ve managed to dodge quite a few bullets. And befor you know it i started out planning may next vacation…
assuming i know the ending i closed the book down. I got in hand with 2 8 cuase if u flop good hand with it your opponent will smell a bluff. I got in to a small stack playes all-ins with A 7 only to find out that he had AK/Q/J just cuase i had to know if it’s a bluff and hey, i’m supermen. And beside i can take losing 40 euros when my stack is 256 euros right?? wrong!!! after that u get in every hand to “erase the disgrace” or at least less carefull. I looked at my statistics and was amazed to see that on the first 3 days i was winning i got all-in pre flop only twice and when i eas losing i got all-in 10 times!!! that my freinds is called tilt i belive. Offcours, at the end of the slope i got left with nothing. At the two last all-in it was a desperate do or die. The first i won, the last i…
I find it easier to blame me cuase this is the only way to improve my game and perhaps, next time when the tilt alarm pounds on my had i’ll close the programm and go outside to play with my daughter.
One strange thing i want to share with you.
You know the hands where u know is a split pot? for instance, 3 players got a Q and the cards on the table are 6 10 J K A and no posible flush. In a cash game it would be wise to check or bet small couse the higher u bet more goes to the house. So i bet small and the next calls but the last decides to go all in. Offcours i and the next player called the stupid rase and donated a nice amount of cheepes to the dealer. In the chat box i said what i thought about this guy’s poker skills and got no answer or backing up by the other playes which was strange since it was a rather loudy table. Although i’m aware of the game theoty and the prisoner dilemma it stil looked odd.
RIGGED,RIGGED,RIGGED 100%
I PLAY AT POKERSTARS LAST NIGHT AS BEFORE IM UP $3000 PLAYING NO LIMIT 2-4.WE ALL FEEL THE BAD BEAT STREAKS,I GOT OUT DRAWN WAY AHEAD AFTER THE FLOP TO RUNNER RUNNER 3 LARGE POTS,SO I PLAY ONLY 8 0F THE NEXT 390 HANDS ALL PREFLOP SITTING WITH JJ OR HIGHER GOT OUT DRAWN ON ALLLLLLLLLLL BY WEAKER HANDS TO THE TONE OF 3k
NEVER EVER PLAYING ONLINE POKER AGAIN
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Just recently played at CD poker. I found the poker rooms the same as the other sites, lots of suck out hands, people betting with crap cards and beating legit hands, flush and straight all the time, kind of ridiculous. The worst thing was their blackjack game. I consider myself a good blackjack player and test sites all the time. This was the worst one I had ever seen. Several stretches of 9, 10, 11 losses in a row to a house hand of 20 or 21. YES, that many in a row. And just way too often 3, 8 and 10 where you get a 5, 10 and bust. it is by far the WORST rigged blackjack game I’ve ever seen. I played a stretch where the house hit 4, 21’s in a row, and nothing under 19 for 11 straight hands. Astonomical odds against that. And I’ve never had so many losses when I have actually been dealt a 21 to a house blackjack. the blackjack ratio of house to player was over 10:1. CRAZY!! Avoid it like the plague.
I for one know it’s rigged (to a point). I have no definitive proof other than analysing data from approx 10,000 hands (average). Enticement to continue betting increases the rake, although the rake is usually capped. This is obvious, and seems to make the game more ‘exciting’ for some players. The ‘random’ cards generated are anything but random, if you’ve played the same table as multiple players (baking), you will know. Each street is tailored to give most of the players a ’show’ or chance. This entices betting, or calling, which means more in the pot, which means a bigger or full (capped) rake. Also, you will all see that certain cards fall in ’sets’ in the street. Some cards become ‘associated’ with others, ie you can expect a high percentage of the time to see an 8 appear in the middle if an Ace is there somewhere too, or other ‘associated’ cards. This is because what people stay in on ( what they have in the hole), and who stays in, decides the turn and/or river (remembering all cards in the street are produced to keep people in til the end, because that increases the rake). These patterns are less obvious in money games because there’s a lot more folding in cash games, but are very obvious in freerolls and play chip games.
This is not to say do not play online poker, just don’t play it like you would play ‘live’ poker. Watch and learn the cycle of patterns, and by seeing what appears in the middle, you can usually guess to an extent what the other players have ( knowing that not too many people fold pre-flop with 10 J or better). We all know it’s not completely random. ( I doubt each site has one RNG device for each individual table, overlaps appear, that’s why you sometimes see identical hands or runs if playing at multiple tables). I suggest those of us who can recognise online poker for what it is, should adapt and adjust, and not play it like it was an actual live game. I have, and while I’m not a millionaire, I do make an acceptable amount. Also I NEVER clean my account out, I only withdraw just under half at a time. Poker sites are just like casinos, they realise the longer you stay there ( the longer you leave your money in), the more chance there is that you will spend it. If you continue to play a lot of raked hands, the signal that you’re ‘doing a runner’ from the game isn’t switched on. Honestly people, the fact that you are smart enough to realise online poker is not quite random, shouldn’t annoy you because now you know something that 10 million other people don’t. And that gives you an advantage. myspace.com/jessicapoker
Hell o every1, my name is KANOS. Titan poker know me as the no.1 rogue! They know i know and i know they know? Know what u ask? Kanos has spent the last 2 years to know what is known about titan poker. Let us just say if you have played titan poker then u are being watched (.)(.) exposed,deceived! Goodluck every1 playing. Poker rules, theives are fools.
p.s. titan kma
Party Poker too? linked? maybe not?
maybe? Think about it!
here is a good story…i have been on poker host for about a year..i cashed out for $1000 and havent hit nothing in the past 6 months..i opened an account for my girlfriend and enterend under her name…$3 tournment and won $500…same person playing so what did my play change or did they just try to suck my girlfrnd in….well it doesnt end there. I went with my $500 and sat at a real money table. i dont play alot of hands so i was observing this idiot raise every hand and push everyone out 70% of the time…finally i got AK of hearts…he raised i called, the flop came up 10h 9h 7s….he bet $100 i called the next card was a blank 4d he checked i checked…by his play i was puting him on a straight draw…. the next card was a 6h…wich gave me the nut flush…i check he went all in…i called he had 7h 8h so the tounament money (i) she won went right back into that site…because no idiot raises before the flop with that so just beware of poker cheat
one thing you guys keep bringing up is this random card generator….so you guys know THERE IS NO SUCH THING..look at it this way..in order for something to be random it has to happen without any help.these are PROGRAMS. you cant tell something to do something else and inturn be random…look at the freerolls..no matter how many people are in these it always last around 3 or 4 hours…they program these sites to put out MONEY cards which inturn intice people to bet…that why there is a flush straight 3 of a kind whatever on the river…this way people who hit the flop are inticed to bet your so call fish wait and knock them out. Put it this way a live tournment with 12000 peole would take 9 days to finish..poker host runs one every day at 1:00 and it always takes 4 hours
I wasn’t going to share my story, but I guess I will. It is currently around the one-year anniversary since I quit playing online poker for money. I’ve played on several sites and I believe they are all rigged. I always tried to keep an open mind about it, thinking oh maybe all the bad beats just seemed like they happen too often since online play is much faster than live. I started on partypoker, and after a while I became convinced it was rigged so I tried other sites. I briefly tried pokerstars, but left because I didn’t like the layout of it. Then I landed at Bodog. I started out making money, just like everyone else, and said “hey! I found a job that pays $50/hr.” Unfortunately that didn’t last long. I noticed that everytime I won money, soon after I would lose more. So one day, I play a few cheap cash games…raked in $33. As soon as I won that money, I left and told myself I would not play for a few days (to see if that would affect the win then lose feature). The next day I was bored and said, “okay, out of boredom I’ll just play nickel/dime cash game and I’ll play tight as a rock”. After an hour, I turned $10 into $13 something–wow that’s bad. I watch other players win money, but I couldn’t buy a decent hand. Some guy doubles up through JJ. I’m like “why don’t I ever get Jacks? It’s been an hour!” The very next hand I get JJ. No joke. I do the usual trap, call in early position, wait for a preflop raise, then push all-in. This was a VERY loose table (being nickel/dime obviously). I got two callers. They both had AJ! Flop came and an Ace right there gave them both the check mark. I was angry, but I still had like $8 left. Next hand, AA. I’m like, well I’ll just go all-in since these idiots are loose and it’ll look like I’m just tilting. Everyone folds and it’s to the big blind, who has about $5 left. He calls and turns over 79 offsuit! WTF I said! Then I thought, “wow, I bet I lose this hand” flop was 10 5 3 turn: 6 river: 8. I’m like this is unbelievable!! As if that is bad enough, the very next hand, I kid you not, KK!!!!! This time I type in the chat “I have KK, might as well call me and take my remaining $3″ I get called by 78clubs and the guy rivers a flush and my $10 is gone. Three consecutive top 10 hands were beat by trash hands. The odds of those hands losing three times in a row: .8% , but that doesn’t figure the odds of getting JJ AA KK one after the other. That made me quit. And if any Bodog programmers are out there, I would advise you to fix your programming so it’s not so obvious. So now I play playmoney and retarded as that is. I’m almost tempted to open up another account, play like an idiot, make money, then just quit before they take it back.
I doubt it is rigged, but if it is, it wouldn’t be the way you stated. If it was rigged, they would keep you winning enough to keep you coming back. You all have pretty much the same story, “I won early, then NOTHING, so I quit”. Think about it! If rigged, they would keep you winning enough so you would keep coming back so they could keep taking your money. More than likely, you are mainly bad players or on a bad streak (yes, I have had streaks in both online and live games). That’