Party Poker Cracked
Posted on January 21, 2005
I just read an interesting thread over at Full Contact Poker. It’s about Party Poker Cracked.
…I will not call a raise, or place a bet more than $5 preflop with AA, KK, or QQ! If I bet $2 and it goes to $10 I am usually going to lay that hand down (fold). I almost always check these hands. After the flop, if I don’t get a set I usually fold if there is a bet over $1.
I need to find out where this guy plays. Who in their right mind wouldn’t go all-in pre-flop with pocket rockets? I don’t care how many opponents are already in the pot or how many call after you, but you’re getting more than the correct odds on any call in this situation in a ring game. The author of this book probably walks around his home wearing a tin foil hat. I’m suprised he even uses the Internet. Doesn’t he know that the FBI is tracking our every move. HA HA!
I’m amazed at how many people still believe that online poker is rigged. Why on earth would these companies risk going under when all they have to do is run a legitimate business and make hundreds of millions a year?
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You’re an idiot… Online poker is clearly rigged, and why you ask?… So they can make more money… If you run a poker site legitimately, you’re not going to rake in as much money as you would if you could some how rig it so that everyone gets a piece of the flop.
haha
I just have to laugh!
You’d be an idiot to think that they rig it. If everyone gets a piece of every flop they make less money. If it’s even, the money just changes owners and thus they rake more. Also, all in with pocket rockets isn’t the smartest thing to do. Same with KK and QQ. Online it’s not that it’s rigged, it’s just that people go in with stranger hands than pocket pair or slick. So you have 2 outs with AA and some people will go in with flush draw or multiple people will go in with lower pocket pairs. Just not very good chances of winning since so many people will draw on your pot.
I highly doubt that online poker is rigged. Sure, they might a little more money if they rig it, but why would they risk it? If they got caught they would get sued, and nobody would play at their site anymore. This is especially true with all of the corporate fraud going on today. (e.g. Enron) Company’s ethics are in the spot light today. Also, in response to the going all in with AA preflop, you’re a moron if you have a chance to go all in with this hand and don’t do it. Even if there are other players in the hand (which lessens the value of your hand), the pot size increases and according to pot odds, you should make the call. You might lose that one hand, but in the long run, you should win. Bottom line is that if there are alot of drawing hands out there, your chances of winning go down, but the pot size increases, thus justifying a call.
I totally agree. In tournaments, I’ve read some things about folding AA pre-flop because if you lose you are out and there might be better situations to risk your tournament life. But in ring games…you have to play the odds and make that all-in call with AA.
In a tournament you should vary your play with pockets including AA, KK & QQ. However, I generally raise with these hands. As for All-in, that depends on how tight the table is, if you think someone will call you then go all-in. If knowone calls then you just one the blinds+ maybe a little more, way to use those rockets.
Rigging online is possible and a site or two may, however the real reason the flops and deal seem to be different than real life is due to the random number genereator. After a deck has been played it needs to be shuffled between 7 and 13 times to randomize it again. I don’t know of a place that does that, hence some players will ask them to “wash the deck.” Therefore the random number generator truly creates a random deck.
He’s not saying partypoker or any other site is rigging the game obviously they aren’t but there are individuals who team up or on their own that rig games. The software doesn’t give out random cards like in real life it tries to put their are flaws. This doesn’t help the site in any way but it does leave the possibility of cheating to occur to the few who care enough to work at it.
hahaha, just as I started typing my sit n go started, and i was dealt AA first hand, quick double up..
Yeah party poker on crack, hahaha Rob Eagle is a retard.
Even more retarded is someone actually buying that crap.
who will pursue and arrest any of these OFF SHORE sites for fraud?? It hasnt happened and it wont happen, not by any American authority. Party Poker’s card distribution is obviously suspect (to almost any decent player who has played there a while). How many straights beat sets on the river? How many little wheels get beat by A-highs? How many flushes beat by better flushes? How many 4 of a kind can one person see in 1000 hands??????? How many pocket A’s can you see in 500 hands????? How many flush, straight, or High card paired flops do you need to see???? Go play Paradise for 6 months (w/ Price Waterhouse Cooper card auditing by the way), then come back to Party and in 48 hours you’ll see it all plain as day - THE ONLY CARD THAT CAN BEAT YOU IS ALWAYS CARD THAT BEATS YOU
I quote one guy, totally un-proven statement, but one player the other day, after busting my straight w/ full house (he played 2/4 off) said:
“Sorry, I’m representing a ‘bad’ player-just doing my job.”
He didnt respond to any chat after that, which was strange. It was like he was a paid “bot” to play like a bad player, and bet and/or raise every time no matter what came.
This is the site you choose to play on… gl
I found this system to work quite well. Gave it a try and have made $50 profit today from using it. If anyone else has tried it please let me know your results.
i know that party poker is rigged as i started to notice a chain of events that happens almost every time if certain action is taken pre flop (not by you but by another player) unlike the guy who wrote the book im keeping my secret as it is making me a fair amount of money
ANY of you who believe any of this rubbish are absolute retards! Download Poker Tracker, play 15,000 hands and THEN come and tell me PP is rigged. If you see any variance in the amount of of times you are dealt AA vs. any other pocket pair, you have a case and might as well sue the website. I can assure you, there won’t be any difference….and if there is, play another 15,000 hands and see what happens. Don’t you realize the guy who wrote this is no fool, he doesn’t WANT to be facing your AA, KK or QQ everytime you’re dealt it. Although I would LOVE for some of you to believe this hype, don’t hurt yourself or your bankroll. Remember kiddies, even AA loses to 72o 12.6% of the time. Just because you have those high pockets doesn’t mean it’s gonna be an automatic winner for you. It’s such a simple mathamatical concept that some of you peeons can’t seem to grasp.
“If everyone gets a piece of every flop they make less money.”
wow… what a retard you are… were you dropped on your head as a child? eat any lead paint chips?… how could they make less rake if everyone gets a piece of the flop?… God damned idiot.
Wow, is that the real Ellix Powers? If so, your my favorite player man. I loved your style of play during the wsop. I would absolutely love to do an interview with you for my site.
Take care partner.
First of all I play on numerous online poker sites. Every poker site pans out to be genuine that I have played, except Party Poker. I am 100% sure that Party Poker is rigged. Aside from my personal expereinces with Party Poker, you can go anywhere on the internet and see thousands of people that say the same thing, but you don’t read anything about the other poker sites. Why does Party Poker continually come up?
When I play online poker I usually play 4 games at once and the tables flops (at Party Poker)coincide from table to table, which sometimes I can figure out whether or not to play my hand based on what happens at the other tables Mostly I avoid Party Poker, but I am sure their is a way to use this rigged site to your advantage in knowing that it is fixed. I just can’t believe that this site gets away with this blantant and obvious card rigging. I am pissed and something needs to be done about it. Party Poker needs to be audited and taken off the internet.
Maybe you need to be taken off the Internet. Party gets the most exposure because they have the most players.
So, I’m on the side with folks who do NOT believe the algorithms are rigged, and that it would be INSANE to rig the game to enhance the rake and most of the other common arguments.
Also, I’m no conspiracy theorist, but try this one on for size. If you owned an offshore poker site, on Gibraltar or somewhere where you are KING and answerable to nobody, certainly not the government crooks there who are beholden to your kickbacks - wouldn’t you make damn sure that the algorithms are legit and that third parties verify it as so and manage everything squeeky clean except in one regard . . .
If you do the math and realize I could set up a room of players who can tap the site to see everybody’s cards and where the whole flop is headed. Whenever I have a hand that will win down to the river based on who is betting into the pot, I play into them knowing that my hand will hold up in the end.
So, here’s the thing. I play online and win more than I lose. I’m a “pro,” according to Poker Prophecy and all that nonsense. But, I’ll be damned if I don’t believe some of these mafioso guys know full well they can make another $100 million or so by setting up this kind of shop. Nobody can bust them doing it by analyzing the software. They might get caught one day, but probably believe they will, and will, knock back a billion or so beforehand.
Now, none of this theory keeps me from plyaing. But, I’ve seen guys at the tables who demonstrate a solid style or a specific style and the next minute they are doing the craziest thing in the world. I mean flat stupid. But, they win, where any player would calculate the odds of the move and decide not to do it. I’ve seen this many times. Think about it.
I bet if the NSA set-up a three or four hundred automaton players written to play the hole card, implied, pot and flop odds, they would find among the bots that are losing a disproportionate share of losses on the losing end of the established statistical odds. In other words, the math would not ultimately add up.
Still, I play and I totally believe the arguments of those who do not believe the games are rigged, at least in the way they talk about them being rigged.
Think about it. One day, someone is going to discover one of these shops in operation. And, when they do the math, it’s going to be big numbers.
LOL
Why would any poker site try and rig there game it is better to take a little all day every day than take a lot on a few occasions and have the site closed in a week THINK ABOUT IT!!!, the problem with todays poker is that there are so many more people playing from all over the world at so many different standards and with so many different personal bank balances how do you know who you are playing, $100 for me is a lot but for the person going all in pre flop with 7 2 it could be “a drop in the ocean” before you would mainly play against people who KNOW how to play poker fold with rubbish and play with good (I would prefere to play against a pro than a fish any day of the week, why, because I have read the book that the pro’s wrote and know what they are going to do but a new fish hell if they are feeling lucky 7 2 off suit is good why would anyone want to play [or chance it] against a player who thinks like that), but now you could get called with everything and anything personally I never go all in pre flop with pocket aces as you only need one person with say a lower pair to hit one of these cards on the flop and your odds have hit the floor, pockets rockets in my book is the perfect chance to slow play. In the long term the pro will always win more in a ring game, but in a tournament anything can happen.
Thats why we all play and no matter how many storys we read or get told we all still love the rush, long live on line poker!!!!!!!!.
Thinking that online poker is rigged is typically something that people who lose too much money come up with to justify why they can’t seem to win when it looks so easy for Gus Hansen on TV. If you actually think about it logically, in most no-limit hands you’re going to be hitting a max rake pre-flop in a lot of instances. There is a cap on the rake and this keeps both the house in B&M and the online versions from doing just what people think happens online.
LMAO!
I don’t know if poker sites are rigged or not. Some, many or none. But, I think everybody here who is so sure that sites are not rigged are really fooling themselves. This business is already ILLEGAL in the US. Yet, they operate abroad and reach us domestically. Who is going to shut them down for rigging? Who do you know that works for the certifying agencies? If you worked for an agency with unenforceable or weak or occassional oversight and you got a bag o’ cash, would you confirm the site as legit or shut down your payola? How many persons in Europe, or Malta or the Caymans are hot and bothered about the law or principles? How do you know the version of the software that has been checked is the version that runs after the check?
You don’t know.
You don’t know.
The whole rake argument and “why would they do it with so much legitimate revenue coming in” case don’t resolve the question of whether they are in any way rigging the games. Casinos all over the world have rigged odds more in their favor to make a point here and two points there. If any of you believe you KNOW that the online sites are not, would not, could not fix anything in this virtual world they control absolutely without having to answer to any governing body, then you are very, very foolish.
This does not mean that some, most or all of them are not wholly above board. But, to believe it must naturally be so is like crystal-balling national security council meetings. You’re not there. You don’t have the details. To believe none of these sites have a financial incentive to pull more money from their large communities of addicted gamers, even if that means doing something shady, well, its naive.
Of course, it’s kind of hard to play regularly, daily, and spend so much time in these poker rooms and also believe you’re being ripped off somehow. So, it’s kind of natural to argue that nothing could possibly be askew.
If I had a poker site pulling back $100M/month on the straight and narrow, the only thing I would do is work to get more players online and possibly open up another branded site. But, if someone explained to me how I could knock back another $10M per month by setting up omniscient players to NOT rake or SPEED up tournaments, but to TAKE THE POTS, and I had no morals, well, I might have to think about that.
Just curious, has anyone tried any of these cheat programs, not the odds calculator but the ones that can supposed fish hole cards.
http://www.cheat-at-poker.com/ is an example, but there are also some people selling them on ebay. I think it’s basically a trojan you get players to install on their computer, but I’m not sure. Anyways, if anyone has tried…share if you don’t mind.
Why would you want to cheat?
After reading extensivly on this subject and having an odd recent experince (I hit quads 6 tims in the last two days), I would say the sites are mostly likely not rigged.
I did a search on the company that is “certifying” partypoker and found that it is a small company out of Australia with two main “technicians”. This seems a little odd, but there is no evidence online disputing their integrity.
I would agree with above posters that the potential for cheating exists however remote. The most convincing argument offered of online cheating thus far is “bots” that maek X dollars by taking seats. I would think this would be the easiest to get away with for a site assuming the certification process is legitimate and the cards are truely randome (I have my doubts about this but have not done extensive peronal tests….it is possible to get quads 6 times in two days, its just highly unlikely).
All in all, I am not convinced that the games are not rigged, but at the same time I cann’t argue with the money I have made from playing online despite the seemingly high bad beats I have taken.
i found the strain that party poker uses to cheat, i’m suing the company, ya’ll should hear something in a month or so. this one is going to be BIG!
First, suing Party Poker (at least as a U.S. citizen) is like going to the cops because you bought a kilo of cocaine and your dealer only gave you 900 grams. ONLINE GAMBLING IS ILLEGAL!!!!
Second, I don’t think Party Poker is necessarily rigged in favor of anyone, but it does set up match-ups. I can’t do this every time, but I was playing the other night at a sit-and-go, and I was predicting the turn and river extremely consistently. When I was 100% sure what it would be, I typed it into the chat screen, and the people at my table were amazed. I predicted 5 turn cards in a row and 3 rivers in a row accurately just by recognizing Party Poker patterns. There is really no such thing as random number generating. Computers are incapable of that.
Something else that Party Poker is really bad about is that it tries to speed games up. Now, I am not going to say that it isn’t possible to make really big comebacks every now and then, but it tries to eliminate short stacks. I have seen this happen time and time again.
That’s my 2 cents. I am sure more people will continue to deny, but to me it is pretty plain to see.
The concept of “computers can not generate true random numbers” is thrown out alot in online poker discussions, but isnt quite true, in relation to poker sites. While i do not know party poker in particular, poker stars uses a machine specifically designed to create random numbers, based on thermal entropy
(a quote from pokerstars site showing how they get thier random numbers)
* user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
* true hardware random number generator developed by Intel [3], which uses thermal noise as an entropy source
Just thought id share this, its mildly pertinent to the conversation, and interesting
And I thought no one would post. Sure enough I check back and I’ve been called a retard and asked a question. Although the answer to the question was in my first post that didn’t matter to the guy who responded saying how retarded I am. But let’s check what I said: “If it’s even, the money just changes owners and thus they rake more.” Everyone getting a piece of the flop requires that first, people call with useless hands (usually out of position). Second it requires that the hands coincide with predictable mistakes of the player. Now, consider the idea that they actually want to make a piece of software that can track your weaknesses, create a “random deck” to exploit them, and collect. The amount of money spent in R&D alone would be inhibitive as such a program has only been attempted at a university/research level with moderate success (Loki). And that was to “conspire” against only one opponent heads up. What you’re talking about here is setting up one player, or more, to the favor of another player. Well, if you want to believe they can do all that fine, but don’t call me a retard please.
Now, the idea that “everyone gets a piece of the flop” is the very reason that AA should be folded (more often in NL and SnG games). I’ll raise with the intent of only getting called by one guy, but if the pot is stacked with callers, the odds of winning keep going down. Sure pot odds will tell you to call, if you made a good first raise and then two guys behind you go all in, pot odds can be slightly ignored in favor of “survival odds.” Would you call with top pair to the river because pot odds indicated to do so? Honestly, in low limit games, there’s no reason to go all in pre-flop in ring games unless there are stacks similar to yours that you need to steer out of the pot to leave it heads up.
My 2 cents-
Are poker sites rigged in favour of specific players?
Probably not. Although it seems like larger stacks are slightly favoured. I never noticed this in 5 months of playing True Poker, but quite a bit in just 2 weeks of playing on Poker Stars.
Are shuffling algorithyms natural ie. similar to B&M games?
Hard to say. Probably random, but somewhat weighted so that high cards are near the top wen it comes to the final stages of a SNG. Again, I rarely saw this on True Poker, but am quite aware of it on Poker Stars.
Are the flop/turn/river weighted to generate more action and speed up games?
I have no proof, but I defintitely have that get impression when I play on Poker Stars. Take an example hand i played last night:
I have pocket JJ and call a bet against 33 and KT.
First the odds of being dealt a pocket pair are 1 in 16. So the odds of two people being dealt a pocket pair are 1 in 256. Not too strange, yet. The odds of hitting trips on the flop when you hold a pocket pair is 1 in 8. So the odds of both players with pocket pairs two people hitting trips is 1/8*1/8= 1/64 * 1/256= 1/16384, which is what happened. Furthermore, the person with KT hit an open ended straight draw. The flop was J3Q. Now what are the odds of that happening? Again, this kind of stuff rarely happend in months of True Poker play, but seems to be the norm on Poker Stars.
Maybe, I am just paraniod. But Poker Stars has certainly made me feel a little uncomfortable.
USA Today is running a story on my lawsuit in early september, i thoroughly advise anyone who has been cheated by party poker get in on this. the information will be in the story.
I can’t speak for the others..haven’t tried em, but I can GUARANTEE party poker is not a “Raandom # Gen”. It is designed to make for big and exciting pots, with lots of ooohs and ahhh. If you look at the cards that come up (as well as hole), and compare them to any actual dealings of cards, you’ll see the variance. Ex. How many times in an hour alone do you see 2 or more peeps w/ pocket pairs…? Makes for an exciting pot! Also, how many times in 1 hour do you see trips on the board..? Wow, another exciting pot!!
The only thing random there is whether it will be an all or nothing pot…it’ll either be quads over a full house, or it’ll be a pair of 2’s that walk.
Anyone who thinks there isn’t a slant to it, needs to sit down with an actual deck of cards and deal many hands, do the same number you’d play in an hour online and see what happens. DO NOT use a program to run a series of hands….do it manually. Remember, the algorithm set for deals by any program is ultimatly written by someone, therefore not “random”.
And a person shuffling a deck of cards is not random either. Have you ever compared the numbers? I have and Party Poker is about as random as it gets.
To add on to that, I seem to be coming across %9.1 (or 91) out of 1000 hands with 2 people having pocket pairs.
If you play at party poker, you can verify that it is WAY ABOVE this in just 100 hands.
You can’t base anything on 100 or 1000 hands. When you have numbers for hundreds of thousands of hands then you can make a case. I could flip a coin and it would turn up heads 5 times in a row. Does that mean the coin is rigged? Hell no. It’s called statistical variance.
Having read the conditions PP says it is not set up for professional play . It is after all called PARTY poker
The same person who put out this e-book in question also put one out about Poker Stars. The site states that the numbers are not random, but are set up not so that every player gets a piece of the pot, but so that certain situations develop that make the game more exciting, thus drawing people back to the site. I have yet to play any online poker where my own hard earned dinero is involved, (I’m still skepticle) but I do have been playing Poker Stars for a while and you tend to notice that the normal percentages for hitting a hand are out the window. I have never seen so many straights, flushes, boats in my life, as I have in a couple of hours playing Poker Stars. You also can’t dismiss the oddity of having 4 players all in, only to see their hole cards as 10’s, A’s, A/K, and 7’s. Not that this is impossible, but it happens TOO OFTEN.
As far as the internet gambling goes… it is not illegal if you live in an area where gambling is legal.
Also, there is no way to know if these are legit or not, as online gambling sites are not regulated by any governing body.
Party poker is nothing but a pull of a handle on a slot machine(as are most of the sites, however I find poker stars to be a little less of a pull…more so the good hands win on poker stars. Now come on people, you know this is a site full of juiced cards to induce bigger pots. Party poker gives you win and take it right back buy putting u on a bad beat string. there for keeping them in buss. Just think about this for a sec….now lets say your new player(fish) never won….what would party poker be…party pokers bread and butter is new player. Also think about this. Lets say u have 20,000 good players online playing high stakes or lets put 250 million new players who are going to come and go…but stay a while if the site shows them some wins If you are of some inelegance after playing the site ongoing for a few months with several hours of play, you will clearly see the horse shi*. U will only see the online poker world come to fair game when it is made fully legal. Until then use the correct formula to make your way to the top.
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The only “evidence” that I can offer that PP is rigged is that I find the play money games (in which the house has no economic interest)to be VERY different from the real money games. The real money games are loaded with unbelievable River draws and frought with bad beats. Of course, all of these events also happen in live casino games but to a MUCH lesser degree.
I play on Partypker, pokertropolis,pacificpoker and while I do not think they are “rigged” in the normal sense of the word, they do distribute the cards using a random number generator. Since there is not such a thing as a truly random number, if, like robert eagle claims in his book, partypokercracked, you can detect a pattern, you would definitely have the advantage. This is not an easy task and I give mr. eagle credit for attempting it. i have been a programmer since 1978 and created many programs using a random number generator, is is actually called a pseudo random number generator. the catch is the pseudo. mr. eagle’s book has made me a better player by using his excellent charts. the pattern detector is difficult. i have written my own book, how to play texas hold’em on the internet, available at http://www.pokerbydutch.com but i defer to mr. eagle. both our books are valuable additions for the on line poker players. sorry for this long response, there is much more, i have my own blog, you will find it on my web site, comments more than welcome. may all your pots be huge, dutch
I seriously think Part Poker has some system which gives better cards and fortune to those who are just beginning to play. In four years of poker I have never had a losing week until these past two weeks with online poker. For four years I have played real poker at live tables and just started online poker last week. In my first four days I was up about a grand or so, and since have lost it all plus a couple hundred more. Again, i had NEVER been down for a week’s total until now and have played poker professionally for four years.
I think they have it skewed for people to get better hands their first 20 or so hours of playing, that way they get hooked and play forever. This would be OK if it didn’t fuck you over in the tourneys because some new shitty player always gets amazing odds. I know of course this kind of stuff happens in poker, but not this opften. I’ve been eliminated from countless tourneys like enver before to horrible flops and turns and rivers..
I don’t know how to explain this or how it could be done, but I see no other reason for my run of unfortune. Its been ridiculous.
Mike Tooley is a genius. If you did not read his post, please scroll back up to July 10th. Right on the money, Mike.
I agree with Mike on this however the best thing people can do to build there bankroll and handle the bad beats in use the poker bonuses avalible.
Is online poker rigged? I dont know, maybe. Since the last few posts seem to be on the mike bandwagon, let me not disappoint and jump on too. You just never know.
People are spitting out the odds of two people flopping sets to be 1/16384 and claim thats its rare. While I understand your math, I feel like those numbers point to two specific players doing it, not a ring game of ten. According to the numbers, it seems like you would rarely see it, but I see it all the time, especially in live games. In fact, I saw three people flop sets in a $1/2 No limit game in Atlantic City; feel free to do the math. Anything can happen.
I too have had people capping the turn with low inside straight draws and hitting. In fact, I watched the same guy do it twice in an hour, once wit 10 3 off and once wit 2 4 off. Does he know what cards are coming? Maybe, but what can you do. You can just bitch about it and continue to play. Because thats what we are going to do because we enjoy playing poker.
Everything that happens online, happens in live games also. It seems like it happens more often and it does, only because you play anywhere from 60-120 hands per hour as opposed to 30 hands per hour at a casino. More tables, more players, more hands - MORE BAD BEATS…its that simple.
Not to contradict myself, like I said “I don’t know if sites are rigged”, but if I had to endorse one online scandal, it would be the “cash out curse”. I’ve had it happen to me so many times. My roommate and I once turned 25 cents into $1100 in 2-3 weeks playing consistent, solid poker. Upon withdrawing about $800, we lost the other $300 in the next 3 days not changing anything about our styles. Here the online site is losing the opportunity of raking your money, while it “changes hands”, so why wouldn’t they take the rest of your money before you decide to do it again?
With regards to “Party Poker Cracked”, I haven’t read it. I’m familiar with some of its concepts, but like I said you see it more often because your playing more hands (4 tables at a time, 75 hands an hour) thats 10 times the amount you would play in a live game in a hour. I was looking into the book until I saw the same advertisement calling it “Paradise Poker Cracked” at http://www.BeatParapoker.com. All they did was change all the “Party’s” to “Paradise”, they didnt even bother to change the logo. They red and yellow chip is still there with all the green background. Paradise Poker is completely different. To me, that screams hoax, but you be the judge.
Whether games are rigged or not, I always have to laugh when I hear the logical reasons it is not.
Bottom line is this, you can make more by cheating.
“Why would they RISK that?” UMMM, it’s illegal to begin with. That’s like asking ‘why would someone cut cocaine with baking soda?’
Supposedly the biggest problem is collusion. But my god 1 droid at every 5th table = how many millions more a year?
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Your probability calculations are TOTALLY wrong unless you were playing heads up. Odds of two people getting a pair is only 1 in 256 if it’s a heads up situation. In a ring game it’s FAR bigger.
This is so foolish. If the site was rigged, I wouldn’t win 50% of my sit and gos. I wouldn’t have had a losing streak when I started playing poker (for the first time in my life nonetheless) on Party Poker a year ago. They would have coddled me as a new gambler and given me great odds as some of you claimed. I wouldn’t be able to follow pot odds and come out on top in the end. Wait a second, I’m only one person, statistically useless pretty much. So take a clue, and stop basing all these crackhead arguments on an hour, a day, a week, or even a month of play. Party poker is about to deal their 3 BILLIONTH hand. Get records on THAT many hands and maybe then we’ll talk about rigged systems. Otherwise, STFU and fold.
I think a lot of people have noticed here that the online poker system being used is very different from what we see in real poker. There could be any number of reasons for why it seems that the system favors dealing out the fancy hands (high cards, pairs, suits, connectors). I have come up with this idea that the system is not using an entire 52-card deck when it deals out each person’s hand. The system could be selecting which cards are included into each hand before they are actually distributed to each of the players. If this were true, the random number generation could still be valid, and they would just make sure to include an equal number of different cards each time in the selection in order to pass the agency inspections. On a table with 10 players, only 25 cards are needed from the deck (2 per person plus 5 for the community). Basically what I am saying is that it is possible for them to control what cards are being handed out and still be able to use the random number generator.
Honestly, pathetic is the only word appropriate enough for you cokeheads.
You guys are fools. Poker isn’t rigged. It’s just something you use as an excuse for SUCKING AT POKER AND LOSING. That simple.
In a live game, you may play 30 hands an hour. Woo hoo.
In an online game (at ONE TABLE) you can play 90+ on the average, while multitabling you can play multiple hundreds of hands! These 4-5x as many hands an hour equal AT LEAST 4-5x as much bad beats. The at least part is because online generally players are far worse. This totally DESTROYS any point of too many bad beats.
Now, for the “action hand” stuff. Tell me what hands you remember in your head for a longer time - hands where two people make flushes, or hands where ace high takes the pot? YOU ONLY REMEMBER THE ACTION HANDS WHICH TRICKS YOU INTO BELIEVING THEY OCCUR TOO OFTEN. You will also see 4-5x as many action hands for reasons I have already explained.
Now, the cashout curse. I deposited $50 into Party Poker, fired it up to 600, cashed out 300, fired it up to 800, cashed out 500, fired it up to 450, cashed out 100, and still going strong. Now you’re probably going to say either “lol your a fish and they are rewarding you” or “this is just an anomoly” when in fact its not. Mathematically aprox. 1025 in 10,000 players, after cashing out, are bound to go on a streak of ice cold cards. Thats right people, 10%. And this is if everyone played the same way. Alot of BAD PLAYERS who were LUCKY to get enough money to be able to cash any out will very often have their luck catch up with them and start losing. I bet you all play about 45% of your hands and bluff far too much. NEVER BLUFF LOW STAKES PLAYERS. EVER. You need to play 25-30 percent at a 9 person table TOPS before the flop. If you do this and play tight and bet agressively with monster hands, YOU WILL WIN. PERIOD.
Poker’s not rigged, people. Just an excuse for losing players to explain why they lose. “Oh, it’s rigged, THATS WHY I LOSE!” I bet if those same players went to a Casino they would get rocked.
I also need to add that to the one guy who said RNG isn’t random - TRUE. It favors the first ten cards in the deck, after just one shuffle - however, poker sites use over TEN shuffles when only three would make the bias towards the first ten cards immesurable. Paradise poker explains this in their poker site.
. One thing (after playing party poker a lot, and losing a lot) is that whenever i have a high pocket pair like kk,qq, or jj someone magically has aa when i decide to go for a big bet pre flop. This happens EVERY time. For me this is proof it is rigged.
READ THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE END!! heres my experience with party poker….3 that stand out and i wont forget…these first two were within 5 hands of each other. I get two pair on the flop the other guy has high pair…big pot i know he has high pair and im just getting what i can out of him… here comes the river and it pairs the board to give him higher two pair, okay so thats understandable right, it happens well about 5 or so hands later I get a boat im all in with the rest of my chips left over from the other hand. my boat against his trips. and now the river……IT PAIRS THE BOARD AGAIN to give him higher boat. And the biggest questionable hand i have ever seen on there is when i beat quads with a straight flush…on the river. I couldnt believe it, i got him for everything he had. Obviously he was pissed. i would have been too.
It’s usually the losers who claim ‘foul’ most often. Some people should simply come to terms with themselves and admit, that they can’t play. But NO, they must INSIST they’re being cheated! When in all actualality, they just some no playin ‘mofo’s’. Period. End of story. Truth hurts sometimes but at least you won’t be walking around with a chip, (pardon the pun), on your shoulders. Maybe try another game! Like say,……checkers! hahahha Can’t stand da heat,…….get the phuck out my kitchen!
I think some people are misunderstanding. I don’t think this book is implying that PP is cheating and making extra profit. I think it’s just saying that there are undenyable bugs in random number generators which cause certain things to occur more often than in real life. I once saw quads 4 times in somewhere near 80-100 hands in online poker in a ring game, and have seen quads on this site LITERALLY MORE THAN 10 TIMES MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE PUT TOGETHER!! this is not an exageration, it is absolutely pathetic how much quads come up on this site. I think it’s clear that online poker sites have specific trends. But I don’t think anyone is necassarily saying the sites are intentionally cheating.
I have played a huge amount of online poker… won a lot too ($33,000 in one tourny on Party Poker alone). What he is saying is not that it is necesarily rigged, but if you play long enough and watch closely what is happening, there is clear patterns that occur during play. If you are aware of these “patterns” you can avoid the bad beats, and yes actually fold AA, KK etc when you are in a losing pattern and avoid taking the big loss…
Trust me, the Robert Eagle guy is not a retard, as I use similar pattern strategies on limit games daily…
I play ultimate bet a lot and i dunno if it’s rigged or not, but i think people have to adapt to the online style of play. Since you see more hands, you see more big hands. Whether it’s rigged or not, people need to recognize the patters and not be afraid to fold easily dominated hands like AJ.
That’s my two cents
I would not be surprised if the one or two of the corporate brass at Party Poker are assassinated. There sure is enough ill will here.
Obviously online poker is rigged. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either stupid, unwittingly lucky, or on the payroll. The argument that online sites like Party Poker have more incentive to keep it fair and unbiased, is a joke. No business runs that way, especially gaming, and particularly online. You must be a romantic virgin to think that online poker has every intention of keeping the play fair. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a random number generator. Even the RNG can be overridden with a few key strokes you moron, and that’s what’s always going on. The goal of online sites is to get as much money from existing and new customers for the longest time before they get shut down for their unfair practices. All games are rigged, if possible. This is the rule number one of gaming, you idiot. Why don’t these sites reveal their source code for scrutiny otherwise? This is such a dumb debate because there is only one answer. If it can be rigged, it will be rigged.
I beleive its rigged for this reason:
I have referred 8 friends. everyone of them put on 50 bucks and they all won right away. Then they cashed out and all but one was able to keep from going broke. after the cash out bad beats were everywhere. I still play PP just because i feel talent can still leave u ahead but man would i like to se my bad beats vs my good beats
I read that book: Party poker cracked
If you wanna read it, don’t pay for it, just get it on limewire, it’s very easy to find.
Okey, listen all of you fishes online poker player. I’m telling you a big secret. Play that way and you wil win big $$$ 100 % of the time in the long run. Keep doing like the book says and please play against me and my friends with big money.
Can’t beleive you people don’t get it. Is this how naive the average American is. I think I will tell you what I seriously know because I have pity and mercy for you…
This applys to texas hold’m
First, yes , party poker may seem different for you. It’s not like the 20 $ game you play with your friends around the table at college. When you play for real, you reraly play 10 people one the same table. That’s why when playing with your friends, you can slow play the AA and hope winnig. But figure out that the ods of winning with AA when you have 10 people fallowing are WAY WAY LESS. People play crap hands on party poker so you don’t want them to fallow your AA, thats why you RAISE THE PREFLOP A LOT SO ONLY ONE OTHER GUY ( with good very good hands fallow you ) AND YOU GET ALWAYS 1 or 2 other players that keep falowwing because they don’t know shit about poker and think they are good.OKey now the flop… Watch out !!! if there is something like 5-5-9, the stupid player might raise like shit because he called the big raised with his 2-5… why call the draw man !?!??!!? PLays are easy to read on PP. You know what, I don’t feel like explaining you more about poker.. It’s your choice of being an idiot or not. All I can say is that a good poker book is at least 200 pages . YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ODDS
Okey now, for the rest of you that think PP is doing some illegal activities. I don’t care. I make money.. Just don’t forget that 92 % of the players are fishes. 8 % are winners in the long run. Hoo, I see 60 000 players connected on PP now, that makes a lot of fish . Let’s go fishing !!!! Now, because sometimes you get unlucky, I play 4 tables at the same time so odds get back to me and YES I MAKE MONEY.. Yes sometimes, the bad luck gets over the odds, but if you play enought the Right and TIGHT way, PP is profitable.
Just tell yourself you cannot win big if you are new or you don’t know and trully understand the odds.DO YOUR HOMEWORKS if you really want to et into this.
About the algorythm PP uses. It’s trustable. I talked about this to friends in programming and they tried to explained to me very fast how ramdoms are generated in electronics device. Let me tell you that if you really want to find some pattern in that, I with that you live very very very old.Just try the random fonciton on your calculator for an hour or so and keep righting down the numbers. If you feel you keep winning each 10 times lets say. It’s normal because of the odds, but there is not pattern and its more of a feeling you get than anything else. Yes sometimes you loose against ridiculous odds, but thats happens … it’s called BAD LUCK. tell yourself a lot of people play shit hands if you dont raise A LOT.
By the way , if you play a K-Q and raise a little bit so you get 4 -5 players on the flop. If you dont flop a pair and there is an Ace on the flop. Why do you keep calling me lol even if its suited. You need to be lucky to win. I never keep calling a maniac raise when I know there is 2 cards the guy could have that could beat me.
I swear on god, I make some money, not like crazy but it’s decent.The only guy rigg and scamming is not PP owner but the cheap book seller making you beleive anything. Ask yourself questions before thinking stupidly. Yeah , school helps a lot not being a society sheep ! Beleive me
Party Poker is without a doubt rigged. I can sit and call up hands by instinct rather than value. In play money its easy to accumulate many many millions. The same pattern is also true in the real money. When I started on real money tables I realized that no matter what hand I had(not like real cards) it would’nt win, and was offset somehow by other players. That and the FACT that players will gang up on you ALOT at Party Poker. I had a table tell me I was “marked” and they responded to each other in disfavor of me, without me saying anything to anyone!
Players help each other change the momentum on the table by building another player or players up, while one call shadows you or raises every time you’re in. Another player will act as a random player so it mixes it up better. I also think if they communicate someone who isnt playing watches and helps at all times. Im never going back to that god aweful site that is BLATANTLY RIGGED WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY MIND.
Party Poker itself may not be doing anything illegal, BUT their is PLENTY of cheaters at real money tables helping each other out. It took several players ALL DAY to break me and created alot of hostility towards me even though I said nothing to anyone. The patters are also quite predictable, this gives people confidence in their play so they comeback. Liekwise if you play crapp NO MATTER what hand you have it will lose. That is NOTHING like real life poker draws. Losing does’nt perpetuate losing.
So if you stay around and listen to all these jokers who want to take your money, you’re the idiot, get away from Party Poker.
Party Poker can’t be rigged guys, MIK SEXTON GURANTEES IT!
I was playing the other day I made to the final table of a MTT and the first hand I pick up AA under the gun. I just limped in, hoping for any raise then I would push. Everyone folded though, except SB called and BB checked.
Flop came 2A3
SB went all in
BB raised all in
I called of course
SB turned over A2
BB turned over 23
river was no help for those two, I showed my trips and tripled up!
Isnt this just typical, but this time I was fortunate enough to be on the lucky side!
btw, this crazyiest hand I’ve ever seen happened in a real live B&M tourney, not on party poker
This thread is hilarious. It really makes me want to play more on Party. If there are this many utter fools playing poker online there are fortunes to be made.
It’s idiotic to believe these sites are rigged. Even if they were, you wouldn’t notice it amongst the huge variance you get in anything less that 10,000 hands and you’d need to statistically analyse it to spot a thing. The idea that you notice that you win until the bonus clears and then somehow it magically makes you lose is beyond stupid.
This cracks me up: “Party Poker is without a doubt rigged. I can sit and call up hands by instinct rather than value. In play money its easy to accumulate many many millions”
No way!? You mean to say that play money games are easier, looser and have bigger pots than real money. You amaze me. And you can call hands “by instinct”. You must be a rich man.
This is even better “When I started on real money tables I realized that no matter what hand I had(not like real cards) it wouldn’t win, and was offset somehow by other players.”
Nothing to do with you either experiencing negative variance, or god forbid, you not being a very good player then?
Party Poker is rigged and thats the bottom line. I love when I hear, “why would they rig it, there making tons of money, why risk it?”. Heres a news flash for you, online gambling is ILLEGAL. Let me say that again. Online gambling is ILLEGAL OK. So what there doing is not allowed anyway. So why not make as much money as possible. Notice on all the party poker commercials how it says, this is not a gambling site. I have played party poker for a while now, and have just seen to much. There is collision, computer bots that work for the server, you name it. Time to fact the facts. As far as online gambling goes, party poker is the worst. Why do you think that no pros will endorse or go near party poker?
the internet it rigged!
My taxes are rigged. Each year they take money out of my checks, but I never get it all back. Sometimes they actually want more money at the end of the year!
what gets my goat is not whether Party might be rigged, it is the nutjobs like those who posted the speculation here without actually showing any proof.
Dont just say its rigged and expect someone to prove you wrong. Get off your lazy ass and clearly demonstrate it. Otherwise crawl back into your hole with your tinfoil hat and let the poker world get on with its business
Try this test
Take a pack of cards ,deal yourself AA face up,deal another two hole card face up ,thaen deal five in the middle
You would be surprised to see what beats your rockets
Ten hands I got beat by 3,8 os+2,jos 9,3ds
In party poker you have to protect your hand by betting big even then you still get beat if you don’t like it then play golf
Party poker is deffinately rigged.The shills stand out a mile, usually its to late sadly becuase by then they have your money. If thats not bad enough im sure people have found a way to cheat. If you play at this site be prepared to be cheated out of your money in a VERY manipulated mannor. Anyone that opposes this fact is usually an affiliate of party poker (Nick Momrik for example) whom make a good living off the back of sending innocent people to their deaths on this site knowing they’ll end up broke.
I guarantee you in the near future party poker and the others will be laughing on the other side of their faces.
I recently uninstalled party poker from my computer,even though i’d stopped playing their a while ago, did you know party poker plants a trojan on your computer?? , well yes they do, its apparantly so they can get screenshots off your computer to make sure you’re not using cheating software.
After i uninstalled i telephoned them and told them i wanted to close my poker account, i was told i had to this via email, so thats the way i did it.
I suggest anyone that thinks this site is corrupt not only uninstalls their software but ALSO requests to have their accounts closed, its a way of making a stand, after all, the bottom line is, their is NOTHING we can do about party poker’s cheating, and they KNOW it, so tell them to close your account, you’ll at least have the last laugh.
Lex how can you prove that an online poker site is rigged, tell me that. You can’t. Online companies generate hundreds of millions of dollars. Do you think your average Joe is going to crack a multibillion dollar industry with thousands of people working to keep them in business. It has nothing to do with being lazy. Why be so extreme about something that can not be done. It does nothing to further your point. Online poker is rigged and thats the bottom line. It is run like a business. They will do everything in their power to maximize thier own profit, its the basic law of human instinct. Every company on the face of the planet operates under this principle, what more proof can you need. Do you think the CEO’s of these companies care about the integrety of thier games? Hell no. What their doing is already illegal, as gambling is not allowed online in the US. They know that many underage people gamble on their site but do they care? Not one bit. Party poker creates situations which maximizes betting (in cash games to maximize ther rake), speed the tournaments along, (If a short stack races against a large stack, the short stack will lose 95 percent of the time), and of course, screw you royally if you decide to cash out. One time I went on a run and won about 2000, a lot of which came from black jack. I then went on to lost 14 straight 50 dollar sit an gos. I got sucked out on almost all of them by the most unbelievable circumstances imaginable. Time to face the facts people. Your playing against a house that answers to no one, who uses electronics and signals to bring you THEIR game. If you had your finger on the money button, and all you had to do was tap it to make more money, I think you would hit that button all the time
I certainly feel fishy about Party Poker, especially when Im wining a ring game.
Any statistical analyses of hands has to be very involved and tricky. A chi squared test on hand frequencies is no where near enough, yet this is what PP has as the major part of their audit example.
Its fair for people to be suspicious, after all who after playing for a while doesnt understand that when youre the big stack you have extra luck in your favour when a small stack is all in against you? Its uncanny.
I also have experienced the surprising turn of luck that occurs when you withdraw money, bad beats galore. This of course could just be paranoia, but 3 times in a row now I have withdrawn 2/3 of my bankroll earnt over a month and then promptly lost the rest in 1 day through some crazy bad luck.
A statistical analyses should really do a chi squared test on the frequency of bad beats that cause the game to finish faster than it otherwise would vs a normal variance.
Im quite suspicious that there would be an anomaly there. Unfortunately it would be necessary to get hand histories of a few of the people at each table analysed which is a difficult task.
So I’ve read this entire post and there are some intelligible people, and then there are some idiots. It’s concievable that there is some slight rigging to generate more profit, but on a scale so small that the magnitude of the anomaly in variance is not statistically significant. If I can rig something to give me an extra dollar of profit every 3000 hands and I deal 3 billion hands - that’s an extra $1,000,000 in my pocket and no one is ever going to be able to detect it. Online poker is a business, and you should view this small advantage as the premium you pay on the convenience of this form of entertainment and accept the fact that this is how the business world works. But any large scale rigging would be easily detectable with college-level statistics and would have been brought to the table and exposed by now.
What it boils down to is this -
The rapid fire nature of hands in online poker rooms allows for the quantity of bad beats to be overstated in contrast to the pace of a sit-down table game. Human nature is such that when an adverse stimulus such as a bad beat increases in relative frequency in contrast to what is “normal”, the average player can’t help but go on tilt and make irrational decisions and become biased about the outcomes of hands. When you have more than half of the players in this situation, it provides for sloppy games, especially at the lower limits, and alot of shitty hands inevitably take down ones that “should win”. When you find yourself in this situation, sit back and analyze exactly what was different about your style of play during your losing streak versus your winning streak and I’d be willing to bet my bankroll for my next trip to vegas that you’ll find a much higher correlation between your mood and habit of play with your losses than whether you cashed out recently or not.
Sure I have winning streaks and losing streaks, and I get very frustrated during the losing streaks. But if I take a week or two off and get my head back in the game, I start doing well again. It’s not because Party Poker is giving me better hands to entice me to play more, it’s because I’m more clear headed and have the correct mindset to play good poker. Stop blaming the fact that you don’t recognize that you’re on tilt on a conspiracy to steal from you, when more likely than not, you’re throwing your money away because you’re getting pissed about the bad beats.
It could also be that you just don’t have a good grasp on your poker skill level. I can sit at a $5 sit and go and dominate it and win money 85% of the time, but I make more money spending an hour at work. If I play a $10 tournament, I win 40-50% of the time, and make about the same amount of money per hour. If I venture higher than that, I lose unless I get lucky and bag some ridiculous hands. Evaluate your skill at poker, document your mental state when you have your losing streaks, make adjustments, reevaluate, and then decide whether the man is out to get you. Play smart, or don’t play at all because it’s obviously making you unhappy and shaking you up to the level of quasi-retardation.
Also, for all of you Asians out there that posted, your broken english and misuse of plurals was painful to read. Fix it, or stay the hell away from the customer service industry. That is all.
PartyPoker is rigged.. If you have ever played there you know.. if you have a pocket pair 90% of the time someone else does too.. If you can afford to test this theory.. make 6 accounts log them into a table and wait for one of them to get a pocket pair.. You will see.
I’ve been playing party poker for a couple of years and I must say that I have always suspected this site to be rigged.
Numerous times I have found myself in a hand were the opponent makes an impossible call and somehow gets it on the river everytime.
The same thing happens to my father as he has been playing for the same amount of time as me.
This makes me think that some people have actually learned to exploit the program.
I have had someone tell me that he’s talked to people that work at party poker and they’ve shared with him that the game is designed to increase the rake somehow. I guess that’s just hearsay, and I cannot prove it but man sometimes it really is odd.
Dave
Im still waiting to find out about bigdaddys @big’ court case.
lol
You’re a fucking tard.
I have read this entire post and here are my thoughts. In my opinion I think PP is rigged for the following reasons:
1. Human nature. CEO’s of well known financial and retail corporations right here in America (where they are supposedly “regulated” by our laws and the SEC) have proven that there is no such thing as - “I’m making enough money - no need to make more”. Martha Stewart fucked herself over bigtime over stock that was valued somewhere around $260K and yet she was worth millions. If she had just took her losses she would’ve only lost about half of her initial investment. But she broke the law by accepting insider info. Why? Greed. Tyco chairman was worth millions and also had a million dollar salary and yet was ripping the company off big time. Why? Greed. Enron - even though the CEO’s had close to million dollar annual salaries they still chose to cheat thousands upon thousands OF THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES and stockholders. Why? Greed.
Now this is only an example of the ones who were caught. We all know that this shit has been going on FOR YEARS! These guys never feel that enough is enough. If they can make more money by cheating - they will. Its human nature.
If CEO’s who have salaries of 300x to 400x the average workers salary would screw over their own employees that they see and speak to every day, what makes you think that these guys who are overseas would hesitate in screwing over the average joe whom they never have to see or speak to. Not only that, these American CEO’s robbed their employees of their retirement funds, kids college funds, etc. These online poker CEO’s are probably thinking, “look I’m only taking a few hundred dollars from Joe Blow-I’m not that bad of a person”.
2. From my own personal experience of playing at PP I can very much identify with the “predictable hands”. Its pretty bad when you can literally call out ahead of time what the turn and river will be. There are some pretty strong patterns at PP and you would have to be a fool to deny it.
3. I also can agree with the guy who said he was playing multiple tables and saw the same flops on the same tables multiple times. I hardly ever play multiple tables and in the rare 3 or 4 times that I did (and I have never played anymore than 2 games at the same time) I experienced the “identical flop on multiple tables” multiple times. You can argue - “how can you say that and you’ve only played multiple tables 3 or 4 times”. My argument is, “what are the odds that with the extremely low rate in which I played multiple tables that I would repeatedly see the same flop on the same tables?” I would say those odds are extremely extremely low. But yet it happened. To me that says one of two things. Either I am an extremely “lucky” person to hit those odds of seeing the same flop or that identical flops occur on multiple tables at a hi rate at PP.
I’ve read this entire post, and there is a lot of sense and a lot of idiocy on both sides. Anyone who claims that PP, Pokerstars et al is ‘Definitely’ rigged or ‘Definitely’ not is an idiot. Pure and simple. The fact is, until somebody does a detailed statistical analysis of hand histories, nobody knows.
I have noticed many anomalies with both pokerstars and and PartyPoker. However, that alone is meaningless. Just because things frequently feel fishy on these sites doesn’t mean they are rigged - the random number generator might just be creating ‘odd’ hands, without any dodgy dealings going on.
Somebody who is better with numbers than I am needs to start constructing a database of hands played, and answer the following questions:
1.) In SNGs, where one player goes all in, does the all in player lose more frequently than they statistically should? Making all in players lose more frequently would speed up games
2.) How often Do the ‘big 3′ of AA, KK, and QQ go up against each other? Is this more frequently than statistics would predict? Focusing only on these 3 hands rather than all pocket pairs makes most sense, because most players will not fold AA, KK or QQ preflop, and so we can assume that if these pockets are dealt there will be a raising war culminating in an all-in race.
3.) By opening multiple new accounts, discerning whether ‘new players’ have greater luck than more experienced players.
These are the three main provable/falsifiable claims made about poker sites. If they are true, they should be fairly easily provable. In order for the variance to be noticable by players - rather than it just being our paranoia - it should show up statistically fairly fast. If anybody would be interested in actually trying this out - particularly if somebody has a detailed record of 500+ hands on a poker site - then please contact me by posting below. Cheers.
it’s five it the morning it took me good 90min to read all above… i just searched for some forums about this after i read the party poker cracked, i dont know i am not winnig nor loosing…about even, after almost a year of playing at PP and nowhere else, have played about 3000-5000 hands.
I think question is not whether PP is riged or not. Question is whether you can consistenty win there or not. If its true that only 5-10% people consistently win than what do you expect? few would admin they are among 95% of people…. and actually blaming everything else.. how funny ha??
“Game is rigged for sure”… ok i agree but only to the level you can still win if you belong to the right group of people and to the level you wouldnt notice…. please show me one player who is winning and claiming(prooving!) that its rigged…
“patterns” … there are some sure… eg. you loose with big pocket pairs often… how naive to think you cannot loose.. strange river… shit happens… if you play super tight-aggressive you win (i dont play like that its not fun and thats why i lay bad beats like you talk about here… because many people are playing for fun and calling with crapy hands)
“cash out curse” … actually this happend to me too but still dont believe its rigged this way..
“technical problems of rigged algorithm” … i can imagine software dealing you better cards (eg AA more often but that works for everybody), can not imagine software taking into account 10 people’s decisions… impossible… maybe heads up…
“sum up” … every logic says it should be rigged.. every logic say if its rigged its done way you should not care… if playing just for fun you dont mind loosing anyway, if you play proffesionaly you are winning anyway, if you try to start playing proffesionally with no success you dont have skills and blaming rigged casino but you would loose if it wasnt rigged anyway…
DID I MISS ANYTHING?